(January 8, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: My faith needs no testing and if it ever does that's a job for God.
GC

(January 8, 2015 at 6:03 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 5:41 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: For all you know, that's why I'm here.

I have no doubt.

GC

gods purposely hardening my heart for some reason, right? Its hardened hearts in the past according to scripture.

it does work in mysterious ways, right?

So yea, for all you know your god designed me to push your faith to the limits.

Am I doing a good job so far?

Yes or No?

(January 8, 2015 at 5:49 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 5:48 pm)Nope Wrote: Let me see if I understand. My grandmother was the most important person during my teenage years. She exerted a much greater influence over who I became as a human being then my mother. If I was a Christian and went to heaven, my grandmother would mean no more to me then any other human? She would not care more about me either? I also won't care more for my children or husband then I do for any other person? It sounds as if we will all have flattened personalities-if any personality, at all- in your version of heaven.

The more I talk with theists on this site, the more Satan looks like the good guy and hell might be a glorious paradise. GC, your version of heaven sounds like a horrible place.

Don't forget that any memory of your grandmother that isn't absolutely happy and joyful will be wiped away or completely altered.

All my memories of my grandmothers are happy, except for their deaths and when I see them in heaven their deaths will mean nothing and I'll have all those wonderful memories of them and most all my family.

"Their deaths will mean nothing ", GC 2015.

(January 8, 2015 at 6:24 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 5:48 pm)Nope Wrote: Let me see if I understand. My grandmother was the most important person during my teenage years. She exerted a much greater influence over who I became as a human being then my mother. If I was a Christian and went to heaven, my grandmother would mean no more to me then any other human?

All people will have equal value, there will be those who will be special because of the good they did in our lives, so no you don't understand.

Quote: She would not care more about me either? I also won't care more for my children or husband then I do for any other person? It sounds as if we will all have flattened personalities-if any personality, at all- in your version of heaven.

Your family and those you loved here would be special to you, like I said above all people will be valued equally. Don't you think that your grandmother might find the one who lead her to Christ special. I really and truly hope this want be the case, but wouldn't you rather have your grandmother not remember you, knowing where you would be, do you want such a loving person to suffer that memory. I think you love her so much you would want her memory of anyone in her family that goes to eternal punishment, to be wiped clean. Heaven will not be a place of cruelty. If we had to suffer there what good would it be to be there.

Quote:The more I talk with theists on this site, the more Satan looks like the good guy and hell might be a glorious paradise. GC, your version of heaven sounds like a horrible place.

Is that where you want your grandmother to be, you might change your mind if you understood exactly what hell is. Please do not be angry with me I'm just giving you somethings to consider that you may not have before.

GC

But.. i wouldn't want to love god more than parents my parents mean more to me than god does. Because who is there when you need help parents. Who is physically their for you when you are down and just need a hug your parents. If god loved everyone like you say he does he wouldn't act like he doesn't exist he would be there comforting you and give and hug or do something cheer you up. I had my times of sadness i look for god i asked for guidance i asked for many things i even legitimately asked god for help and you know what i got nothing absolutely nothing. You know how disappointing it is to find out you were told a lie as a child that god would help you and yet i got nothing in return. Check your fucking facts look at how terrible god of the fucking bible is.

(January 8, 2015 at 6:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: All my memories of my grandmothers are happy, except for their deaths and when I see them in heaven their deaths will mean nothing and I'll have all those wonderful memories of them and most all my family.

And if one of them didn't make it?

Would you mourn them for being in hell or, since there's no sadness in heaven, would you simple continue to be a happy god zombie?

And notice that your description of heaven changed within the last few pages. First it was clean slate time with everyone being brothers and sisters and when people started to challenge you on loved ones, this new version came up.

(January 8, 2015 at 5:56 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 5:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: That's why you do not understand Christianity, you think it's all about getting into heaven, you're sorely wrong. The creation of the universe was for God to enjoy now and the new one will be for all the saved. Also the universe and it's immensity is a witness to God in the past and now.

GC

Several problems with this.

My point was not about getting into Heaven from the human point of view. It was about from 'God's' point of view. Why the need for a 'soul filter' to decide who he wants to spend eternity with? Why not just create Heaven already populated with the souls he wants to spend eternity with?

You need a better study of scriptures, God wants only those who love Him to be with Him for eternity, this life is given us to decide if that's what we want, I do and can't understand why everyone wouldn't want the same.

Quote:Especially since he would know ahead of time that the majority of the souls he creates would not make it past his 'soul filter' and would be destined for an eternity of torture.

God is giving everyone the chance to love Him and spend eternity with Him. He does not desire to have a bunch of puppets hanging around, pulling strings isn't love from either side, even though He knows not everyone will choose to spend eternity with Him He still desires none to be lost. It's that love He has extended to all, if accepted.

Quote:Why would a perfect being need to create anything for his enjoyment? A perfect being would not need a thing.

He didn't need us or the universe, He was already living an eternal life (no beginning), God created because it was His pleasure and He created what pleased Him, because it was His desire.

GC

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(January 8, 2015 at 6:07 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 6:03 pm)Godschild Wrote: Allah is only a moon god, raised to a status undeserved by a murder and womanizer, Mohammed. Why do you think they have a crescent moon with a star inside the crescent shape. It's a way to try and deny Christ as the Son of the true God.

GC

Hey, I'm just telling you the facts of what's going to happen to you, not my fault that you've willingly ignored the path to salvation.

It's a sorrowful thing to have to say, but one that needs to be, right now you wouldn't know salvation if it hit you in the face, you can though if you open your heart to Christ.

GC

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(January 8, 2015 at 6:35 pm)abaris Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 6:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: All my memories of my grandmothers are happy, except for their deaths and when I see them in heaven their deaths will mean nothing and I'll have all those wonderful memories of them and most all my family.

And if one of them didn't make it?

All three will be there, it will be an amazing reunion, especially meeting dad's mom for the first time, I've heard so much about her, it will be exciting.

Quote:And notice that your description of heaven changed within the last few pages. First it was clean slate time with everyone being brothers and sisters and when people started to challenge you on loved ones, this new version came up.

No now your putting up a blatant lie, you need to go back and reread the posts all of them instead of cherry picking to support your lie.
The second thing here that's not reality is your statement I've been challenged, this has been easy.

GC

(January 8, 2015 at 1:36 pm)robvalue Wrote: How else do you determine whether something is true if it's unfalsifiable?

Do you believe other people have consciousness just like you do? That is completely unfalsifiable, but most people take it for granted.

(January 8, 2015 at 6:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: All my memories of my grandmothers are happy, except for their deaths and when I see them in heaven their deaths will mean nothing and I'll have all those wonderful memories of them and most all my family.

If theists realized the sole purpose of religion was to delude one into believing that something exists beyond death, then they would not be theists anymore.

(January 8, 2015 at 3:19 pm)robvalue Wrote: No, personal testimony is not evidence. Sorry. If that's all it took, anyone can just claim anything.

Actually personal testimonies are evidence when there are enough of them to form a case study. What are survey responses if not a guided form of testimony. Yet quite a bit of scientific research involves subject surveys.

(January 8, 2015 at 7:25 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Actually personal testimonies are evidence when there are enough of them to form a case study. What are survey responses if not a guided form of testimony. Yet quite a bit of scientific research involves subject surveys.

Billions of people can claim to believe in the existence of a unicorn only they can experience. Unless I can see veritable proof of stated unicorn, I am not going to believe in its existence merely upon fallible faith.