(January 8, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: My faith needs no testing and if it ever does that's a job for God. You are only wanting to back out because you can find no excuse to defend your need for absolute proof.

GC

For all you know, that's why I'm here.

(January 8, 2015 at 5:14 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 5:06 pm)LostLocke Wrote: If your mind is that altered, how can you even be sure it'll be 'you' up there?
Maybe 'you' as you know 'you' won't even exist at that point.

We will know who we are, we will always remember what Christ did for us, if we did not remember then Christ would have died for nothing.

GC

Let me see if I understand. My grandmother was the most important person during my teenage years. She exerted a much greater influence over who I became as a human being then my mother. If I was a Christian and went to heaven, my grandmother would mean no more to me then any other human? She would not care more about me either? I also won't care more for my children or husband then I do for any other person? It sounds as if we will all have flattened personalities-if any personality, at all- in your version of heaven.

The more I talk with theists on this site, the more Satan looks like the good guy and hell might be a glorious paradise. GC, your version of heaven sounds like a horrible place.

(January 8, 2015 at 5:48 pm)Nope Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 5:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: We will know who we are, we will always remember what Christ did for us, if we did not remember then Christ would have died for nothing.

GC

Let me see if I understand. My grandmother was the most important person during my teenage years. She exerted a much greater influence over who I became as a human being then my mother. If I was a Christian and went to heaven, my grandmother would mean no more to me then any other human? She would not care more about me either? I also won't care more for my children or husband then I do for any other person? It sounds as if we will all have flattened personalities-if any personality, at all- in your version of heaven.

The more I talk with theists on this site, the more Satan looks like the good guy and hell might be a glorious paradise. GC, your version of heaven sounds like a horrible place.

Don't forget that any memory of your grandmother that isn't absolutely happy and joyful will be wiped away or completely altered.

(January 8, 2015 at 5:23 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 5:15 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Why didn't Yahweh just create Heaven with the people/souls he wanted there in the first place?

Why did he create this entire universe (over 100 billion galaxies, each with over 100 billion stars and untold number of planets), just so one of these untold number of planets can be a 'soul filter' to see who gets to be in Heaven?

That's why you do not understand Christianity, you think it's all about getting into heaven, you're sorely wrong. The creation of the universe was for God to enjoy now and the new one will be for all the saved. Also the universe and it's immensity is a witness to God in the past and now.

GC

Several problems with this.

My point was not about getting into Heaven from the human point of view. It was about from 'God's' point of view. Why the need for a 'soul filter' to decide who he wants to spend eternity with? Why not just create Heaven already populated with the souls he wants to spend eternity with?

Especially since he would know ahead of time that the majority of the souls he creates would not make it past his 'soul filter' and would be destined for an eternity of torture.

Why would a perfect being need to create anything for his enjoyment? A perfect being would not need a thing.

(January 8, 2015 at 5:21 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 5:19 pm)Godschild Wrote: I can't make threats to you, you already said you were going to forgo heaven, so the only alternative for your rejection is hell, you've said all this. All I'm doing is supplying you with the facts about hell.

GC

And you're also gonna join me, seeing as your haven't accepted that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet.

Allah is only a moon god, raised to a status undeserved by a murder and womanizer, Mohammed. Why do you think they have a crescent moon with a star inside the crescent shape. It's a way to try and deny Christ as the Son of the true God.

GC

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(January 8, 2015 at 5:41 pm)h4ym4n Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: My faith needs no testing and if it ever does that's a job for God. You are only wanting to back out because you can find no excuse to defend your need for absolute proof.

GC

For all you know, that's why I'm here.

I have no doubt.

GC

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(January 8, 2015 at 5:12 pm)Nope Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 4:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: The righteous through Christ would beg for it if it were not given as a loving gift, which it is.

GC

That is depressing.

Seriously how do you see that, it's a gift no memory of the awful.

GC

(January 8, 2015 at 6:03 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 5:21 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: And you're also gonna join me, seeing as your haven't accepted that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet.

Allah is only a moon god, raised to a status undeserved by a murder and womanizer, Mohammed. Why do you think they have a crescent moon with a star inside the crescent shape. It's a way to try and deny Christ as the Son of the true God.

GC

Hey, I'm just telling you the facts of what's going to happen to you, not my fault that you've willingly ignored the path to salvation.

(January 8, 2015 at 6:03 pm)Godschild Wrote: Allah is only a moon god, raised to a status undeserved by a murder and womanizer, Mohammed. Why do you think they have a crescent moon with a star inside the crescent shape. It's a way to try and deny Christ as the Son of the true God.

GC

And Yahweh's the son of El, one of 12 siblings. Also, muslims don't deny Jesus, only his divinity.

(January 8, 2015 at 6:09 pm)abaris Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 6:03 pm)Godschild Wrote: Allah is only a moon god, raised to a status undeserved by a murder and womanizer, Mohammed. Why do you think they have a crescent moon with a star inside the crescent shape. It's a way to try and deny Christ as the Son of the true God.

GC

And Yahweh's the son of El, one of 12 siblings. Also, muslims don't deny Jesus, only his divinity.

They call him a profit of god nothing more nothing else.

(January 8, 2015 at 6:13 pm)dyresand Wrote: They call him a profit of god nothing more nothing else.

Gabriel is on Allah's payroll too.

(January 8, 2015 at 5:48 pm)Nope Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 5:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: We will know who we are, we will always remember what Christ did for us, if we did not remember then Christ would have died for nothing.

GC

Let me see if I understand. My grandmother was the most important person during my teenage years. She exerted a much greater influence over who I became as a human being then my mother. If I was a Christian and went to heaven, my grandmother would mean no more to me then any other human?

All people will have equal value, there will be those who will be special because of the good they did in our lives, so no you don't understand.

Quote: She would not care more about me either? I also won't care more for my children or husband then I do for any other person? It sounds as if we will all have flattened personalities-if any personality, at all- in your version of heaven.

Your family and those you loved here would be special to you, like I said above all people will be valued equally. Don't you think that your grandmother might find the one who lead her to Christ special. I really and truly hope this want be the case, but wouldn't you rather have your grandmother not remember you, knowing where you would be, do you want such a loving person to suffer that memory. I think you love her so much you would want her memory of anyone in her family that goes to eternal punishment, to be wiped clean. Heaven will not be a place of cruelty. If we had to suffer there what good would it be to be there.

Quote:The more I talk with theists on this site, the more Satan looks like the good guy and hell might be a glorious paradise. GC, your version of heaven sounds like a horrible place.

Is that where you want your grandmother to be, you might change your mind if you understood exactly what hell is. Please do not be angry with me I'm just giving you somethings to consider that you may not have before.

GC