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Can you make a God claim?
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Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum  (January 10, 2015 at 12:59 pm)Grasshopper Wrote: Whose character? When you said this. Everything in this world is testable because it is made of matter. Your hypothesis was nulled from this ^
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January 10, 2015 at 1:20 pm
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(January 10, 2015 at 1:15 pm)Grasshopper Wrote:(January 10, 2015 at 1:02 pm)dyresand Wrote: When you said this. so god does not exist because god would need to be some sort of matter. So god cannot be tested to exist because we don't know what god is made of nor know if he is made up of matter.
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January 10, 2015 at 1:28 pm
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(January 10, 2015 at 12:49 pm)Grasshopper Wrote:You said, "What you think is real is just electrical signals interpreted by your brain".(January 10, 2015 at 12:44 pm)IATIA Wrote: And there may be no matter to test.I'm sorry I don't get it Then you said, "Everything in this world is testable because it is made of matter.". How can it be 'testable' if it is not 'real'. The test results would not be any more real or unreal than anything else.
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January 10, 2015 at 1:31 pm
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(January 10, 2015 at 1:20 pm)dyresand Wrote:(January 10, 2015 at 1:15 pm)Grasshopper Wrote: Yeah so god is not verifiable matter and cannot be tested. So ? That's what I said in my first post! Now don't take offense or anything but it's been a long day and I don't need this right now So in the words of jack Sparrow - gentlemen! I shake my hands off this weirdness. See you in 9-10 hours (January 10, 2015 at 1:31 pm)Grasshopper Wrote:(January 10, 2015 at 1:20 pm)dyresand Wrote: so god does not exist because god would need to be some sort of matter. So god cannot be tested to exist because we don't know what god is made of nor know if he is made up of matter. Its not even that if you hold a position at least try to defend it. Do not be like this guy
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January 10, 2015 at 3:04 pm
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(January 10, 2015 at 12:44 pm)IATIA Wrote: And there may be no matter to test."Matter" is something we have experience with, observations of. Those observations may be "just" signals in the brain, and those signals may be in error...but since empiricism explicitly refers to observation, and not the accuracy of any particular observation.....pointing out the nature of those observations or the limitations thereof is hardly a refutation of the empiricists position. Even if it were "just" brain waves...we'd still be testing something, and "just" brain waves does not equal "not real". If we're wrong about the details of something...that doesn't mean that whatever we were observing or experiencing has simply poofed out of existence.
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January 10, 2015 at 3:19 pm
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I was discussing with my friend what a bargain basement definition of "real" would be, within a given reality framework assumed to be itself real. I said that something is real if it is available to be experienced by any observer in that reality. If only a subset can experience it, it's most likely not "real" but a failure of their senses. That could change if we ever did find observer dependent reality.
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