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A simple challenge for atheists
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 (January 28, 2015 at 5:43 pm)Sionnach Wrote:(January 28, 2015 at 5:41 pm)SteveII Wrote: It is not the same if you believe Jesus was God. There is no assertion in that sentence, but thanks for furthering the discussion. I think you meant books (4 gospels, Acts, all the epistles and of course the other 39 books of the OT).  (January 28, 2015 at 5:51 pm)SteveII Wrote: There is no assertion in that sentence You have evidence that you can share with me, verifiable evidence to be shared with anyone, that Jesus existed, was the divine son of god, or that god even exists? Great, provide it.
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~ Erin Hunter (January 28, 2015 at 5:47 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(January 28, 2015 at 5:41 pm)SteveII Wrote: It is not the same if you believe Jesus was God. Mohammad and Joseph Smith never claimed to be god, just passing on a message only available to them. People interacted with Jesus (God) and asked question and received answers dynamically. No, I would say that the OT books are significantly less important that the in-person teachings of Jesus. The OT provided the basis but I would not say formed the basis. The NT teachings were a significant deviation.  (January 28, 2015 at 5:56 pm)SteveII Wrote:(January 28, 2015 at 5:47 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Oh, okay: I guess we should just ignore the entirety of the old testament and every prophet of the christian god within, despite the fact that those prophets formed the basis of christianity before Jesus even showed up, and hence we can just dismiss anything Jesus claimed too, as he can't be the son of the obviously not real god who only had men be his spokesmen before that point. Given evidence and i mean evidence to prove that jesus did exist and taught people not from the bible but from history because jesus is made up and in now way did he show up in any roman census.
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January 28, 2015 at 6:01 pm
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(January 28, 2015 at 5:56 pm)SteveII Wrote: No, I would say that the OT books are significantly less important that the in-person teachings of Jesus. The OT provided the basis but I would not say formed the basis. The NT teachings were a significant deviation. But without the old testament prophets Jesus could never have come down and said "I'm the son of that god," because there wouldn't have been a god for him to reference. If you're going to dismiss the words of prophets, there goes the entire groundwork for Jesus' resurrection, and you'd have no reason at all to accept that Jesus was the son of god, because you've already denied the very people who introduced the concept of that god to the world, meaning Jesus said he was the son of a god you'd just established did not exist. Unless you're just trying to be inconsistent, where you only apply that level of scrutiny to religious positions you don't already agree with. 
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January 28, 2015 at 6:02 pm
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(January 28, 2015 at 5:53 pm)Sionnach Wrote:(January 28, 2015 at 5:51 pm)SteveII Wrote: There is no assertion in that sentence Re-read my posts earlier. You might not like the evidence, but there is evidence.
lets... see.... what science and archeology has to say about jesus...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...acter.html http://www.inquisitr.com/1504964/jesus-never-existed/ http://www.salon.com/2014/09/01/5_reason...r_existed/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nigel-barb...83198.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteveryt...t-hold-up/ http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblia...zar_27.htm http://www.unbiasedtalk.com/the-intellec...ne-romans/ http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/31...us-existed So from this i will draw my conclusion jesus doesn't exist or ever has but rather just made up. So the NT in all its "glory" is not even relevant.
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Code: <iframe width="100%" height="450" scrolling="no" frameborder="no" src="https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=https%3A//api.soundcloud.com/tracks/255506953&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true"></iframe>(January 28, 2015 at 5:51 pm)LastPoet Wrote:(January 28, 2015 at 5:47 pm)Roxy904 Wrote: I have never seen God. He has not revealed himself to me. He has not given me any evidence of His own existence; you can claim that He did this years ago with Jesus. But, if he is omnipotent, why can't He go through the simple process of letting me know He exists? The burden of proof lays on Him to show Himelf. Wow! Thanks! I have seen the light and changed my wicked infidel ways! Golly-gee-whiz, Jesus saves! (Amen, sister.) Puh-raise sweet baby Jesus!
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(January 28, 2015 at 6:03 pm)SteveII Wrote: Re-read my posts earlier. You might not like the evidence, but there is evidence. No, there is no evidence. There is merely your delusion of evidence when all you truly have is fallible faith.
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