If you want out, you need a job. Brakemen's offer is generous. Pick a city and see what he has. Otherwise, look for a job where you are.

Until then, you owe your Mom basic politeness for the roof over your head. So at a minimum you shouldn't start the arguments.

(February 1, 2015 at 6:54 pm)professor Wrote: Ian, under you user name it says, "Badass gaytheist".
If you decide to keep that sharp edge, it is a real stupid decision.

You can be badass all you want, but you will reap what you sow and you will not like it.
I just watched the Wonka Chocolate factory again, and thought of it while typing.
The self centered, mouthy kids got weeded out.

I suggest wising up, doing what they told you here, try being nice, thoughtful and silent about atheism or your mom's views.

It's a pride thing. It shows that I'm not ashamed of not being a Heterosexual. It has nothing to do with how I treat people.

So you would rather have your basket of pride, than follow the good advise the ATHEISTS here gave you?
Good luck, you are going to need it.
Pride, is a great delusion. A trap. It blinds one to reality.

(February 1, 2015 at 10:08 pm)professor Wrote: So you would rather have your basket of pride, than follow the good advise the ATHEISTS here gave you?
Good luck, you are going to need it.
Pride, is a great delusion. A trap. It blinds one to reality.

I think you might be over reacting a bit about an internet handle, I doubt he's walking around the house screaming I'm a gaytheist badass! Like my name is Mr.wizard, I'm not walking around casting spells.

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(February 1, 2015 at 7:27 pm)IanHulett Wrote:

(February 1, 2015 at 6:54 pm)professor Wrote: Ian, under you user name it says, "Badass gaytheist".
If you decide to keep that sharp edge, it is a real stupid decision.

You can be badass all you want, but you will reap what you sow and you will not like it.
I just watched the Wonka Chocolate factory again, and thought of it while typing.
The self centered, mouthy kids got weeded out.

I suggest wising up, doing what they told you here, try being nice, thoughtful and silent about atheism or your mom's views.

It's a pride thing. It shows that I'm not ashamed of not being a Heterosexual. It has nothing to do with how I treat people.

Don't sacrifice who you are, just simply avoid the religion topic.

Stop bringing up the topic of religion to your mother. If she brings it up, tell her you don't want to discuss it. You can simply say that you have your views and she has hers, but your relationship does not have to change due to these differences. Differences over religion aren't worth throwing away a relationship with your mother. Even if you have significant differences in beliefs, you only have one biological mother.

If you persist in your ways and feel you must move then relocate somewhere else and get a non-skilled labor position. You're still young. They won't give a damn about your lack of job experience yet.

(February 1, 2015 at 5:49 pm)IanHulett Wrote:

(February 1, 2015 at 5:48 pm)Beccs Wrote: I've always thought tasers are great for solving difficult arguments.

Seriously, though. If you're a minor you're stuck until you turn 18.

I'll be 21 in April.

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(February 1, 2015 at 5:13 pm)Brakeman Wrote: If you are at least 18, I have a lot of connections in the automotive industry. Tell me the city that you leave in and I'll see if I have any connections there. There are all different kinds of job in a parts assembly plant. If you want to come to Columbia SC, Clarksville TN, or Elizabethton KY, our brake plants are hiring like crazy right now.

I'm in Schenectady, NY.

Then run.

Be free, young man.

(February 1, 2015 at 10:08 pm)professor Wrote: So you would rather have your basket of pride, than follow the good advise the ATHEISTS here gave you?

Dude, what the hell are you talking about? Where did I say I wasn't going to take their advice? I do believe that's the whole reason I posted this thread. And YOU'RE the person who brought up the whole "Badass Gaytheist" C.U.T. I gave myself. So, do yourself a favor, DROP IT!!! It has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC!!!

(February 1, 2015 at 10:08 pm)professor Wrote: Good luck, you are going to need it.

Uh, thanks?

(February 1, 2015 at 10:08 pm)professor Wrote: Pride, is a great delusion. A trap. It blinds one to reality.

Yeah, funny how you should say that Mr. Christian. Before I turn this statement around and make it about you, I'd like to post the definition of that 'd' word right here:

de·lu·sion
dəˈlo͞oZHən/
noun

an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.

Now, hasn't your cult been debunked, refuted and criticized to the point where it can no longer be accepted as reality? Yes? Okay, and do you still believe in that said cult? Yes?
So, tell me how my pride is a delusion, and your religious beliefs aren't. How, pray, am I stuck in a delusion by simply lacking shameful feelings of my sexuality? What gives YOU the nerve to bring up something TOTALLY IRRELEVANT and address that instead of the topic at hand?

You know what this is? It's something along the lines of, oh, I don't know... a red herring fallacy. You're bringing something up that is COMPLETELY off topic, and disguising it as an argument to drive the thread in a direction where it doesn't need to go. The thread has nothing to do with my C.U.T and yet you had to bring it up.

I'm starting to wonder if the people here who are religious like you are just here to start a fight with Atheists, Anti-theists, Skeptics, Agnostics, Igtheists, etc. instead of contribute anything intelligent to the subjects you visit. Actually, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's all you guys are here for. So, forget I asked you those questions 2 paragraphs up. From now on, every time you religious people come here to say something irrelevant, or to turn a peaceful thread into an argument, or drive it where it doesn't need to go, I'm just going to treat you like a troll or a spammer and ignore you because I'm here to be happy and make friends, and socialize with like minded people, not argue in every thread I start or post in. I can handle peaceful debates where I'm not attacking anybody and they're not attacking me, but this back and forth thing we have between us, is the type of stuff I've come here to get away from. Enjoy YOUR delusion.

Conversation is over. Getting back on topic.

Hello, I'm Ian's Mom. This morning Ian apologized to me for upsetting me and informed me that he decided to move out as soon as he could get a job. He also asked that we desist any further discussions of christianity vs atheism since it upset me so.

I told Ian as I will tell you. I was not upset by Ian's questions. I love my God with all my heart. Sometimes when I talk about him or his good works or even how he affected my life I become overwhelmed and so I start to cry. I love my son unconditionally. My God did not give me my son to love him only if he is christian. I not only love him; I am proud of him. Why? Because he chooses to follow his own path and not to be "a sheep". In fact, Ian didn't tell you that he has a brother who is of Islam or his sister who is Heathen/Pagan and a brother who is a Messianic Jew. His father is an Agnostic. So for me to denounce Ian when I love the rest of my family would be simply put, asinine. I accept people and love everyone for what is in there hearts not for who they should be. Ian is under no restriction what so ever to stop talking about any topic he feels the need to this includes atheism. I taught my children at an early age if you have questions and I can answer them then I will. I trust my son to be happy with the choices he has made and to have inner peace as I hope all of you will too. I hope that all of you will continue to support my son in the ways I may not be able to and for that I am truly grateful.

As for the christian who commented on my son's "gaytheist"? Leave my son alone. You don't know him. He is a phenomenal young man with amazing ideas and thoughts. He wants to be a professional musician some day and I believe he will do it. My son has manners (when he uses them hint, hint Ian)lol and yet he is the kind of person everyone goes to for a laugh. So leave my son alone or suffer the consequences from MOTHERBEAR!!!!!

(February 2, 2015 at 11:27 am)PhoenixJadyen Wrote:

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Hello, I'm Ian's Mom. This morning Ian apologized to me for upsetting me and informed me that he decided to move out as soon as he could get a job. He also asked that we desist any further discussions of christianity vs atheism since it upset me so.

I told Ian as I will tell you. I was not upset by Ian's questions. I love my God with all my heart. Sometimes when I talk about him or his good works or even how he affected my life I become overwhelmed and so I start to cry. I love my son unconditionally. My God did not give me my son to love him only if he is christian. I not only love him; I am proud of him. Why? Because he chooses to follow his own path and not to be "a sheep". In fact, Ian didn't tell you that he has a brother who is of Islam or his sister who is Heathen/Pagan and a brother who is a Messianic Jew. His father is an Agnostic. So for me to denounce Ian when I love the rest of my family would be simply put, asinine. I accept people and love everyone for what is in there hearts not for who they should be. Ian is under no restriction what so ever to stop talking about any topic he feels the need to this includes atheism. I taught my children at an early age if you have questions and I can answer them then I will. I trust my son to be happy with the choices he has made and to have inner peace as I hope all of you will too. I hope that all of you will continue to support my son in the ways I may not be able to and for that I am truly grateful.

As for the christian who commented on my son's "gaytheist"? Leave my son alone. You don't know him. He is a phenomenal young man with amazing ideas and thoughts. He wants to be a professional musician some day and I believe he will do it. My son has manners (when he uses them hint, hint Ian)lol and yet he is the kind of person everyone goes to for a laugh. So leave my son alone or suffer the consequences from MOTHERBEAR!!!!!

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You have my stamp of approval.

I...what?