(February 10, 2015 at 6:16 pm)emilynghiem Wrote:

(February 9, 2015 at 8:20 pm)Nope Wrote: Theists, can you provide proof for your god's existence that can't also be used to prove the existence of other deities?

If you want uniqueness, I'd say to look into the studies on spiritual healing through deliverance from demons. From what I understand, only the Authority of Christ Jesus invokes the spiritual energy level that can get rid of the Satan and occult curses and demons that get invoked with black magic.
the other means of trying to heal or ward off these negative energies aren't strong or universal enough, and get caught up in them. The negative energy is too strong, except for the concentrated and centralized prayers in Christ Jesus that claim authority over all other levels of laws, natural or spiritual.

Black magic? Negative spiritual energy? We're in the 21st century now, Emily.

I'd ask for evidence of any of this, but I suspect that would be a waste of both yours and my time.

(February 10, 2015 at 6:36 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote:

(February 10, 2015 at 6:16 pm)emilynghiem Wrote: If you want uniqueness, I'd say to look into the studies on spiritual healing through deliverance from demons. From what I understand, only the Authority of Christ Jesus invokes the spiritual energy level that can get rid of the Satan and occult curses and demons that get invoked with black magic.
the other means of trying to heal or ward off these negative energies aren't strong or universal enough, and get caught up in them. The negative energy is too strong, except for the concentrated and centralized prayers in Christ Jesus that claim authority over all other levels of laws, natural or spiritual.

Black magic? Negative spiritual energy? We're in the 21st century now, Emily.

I'd ask for evidence of any of this, but I suspect that would be a waste of both yours and my time.

I believe science can prove this, by measuring the difference in energy and also the effects of healing on schizophrenic patients who no longer are plagued by voices after they go through the treatment. this has significant impact on mental health and criminal justice reform, so it is just a matter of time before medical research catches up with the priests and doctors who have been practicing this already.

Sources: Dr. Scott Peck "Glimpses of the Devil" where he thought it was dark age nonsense also until he took on two cases of schizophrenic patients and found out these methods of diagnosis treatment and cure worked and followed set patterns and stages like curing other diseases. "Healing" by Dr. Francis MacNutt who also thought this was dark age myth until he saw proof how it worked and has been teaching it since.

(February 10, 2015 at 6:16 pm)emilynghiem Wrote:

(February 9, 2015 at 8:20 pm)Nope Wrote: Theists, can you provide proof for your god's existence that can't also be used to prove the existence of other deities?

If you want uniqueness, I'd say to look into the studies on spiritual healing through deliverance from demons. From what I understand, only the Authority of Christ Jesus invokes the spiritual energy level that can get rid of the Satan and occult curses and demons that get invoked with black magic.
the other means of trying to heal or ward off these negative energies aren't strong or universal enough, and get caught up in them. The negative energy is too strong, except for the concentrated and centralized prayers in Christ Jesus that claim authority over all other levels of laws, natural or spiritual.

Your position has been debunked when people started having ration thoughts. Besides its the 21st century things like your world view with demons and dark energy and other things related have been debunked.

(February 10, 2015 at 6:41 pm)emilynghiem Wrote:

(February 10, 2015 at 6:36 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: Black magic? Negative spiritual energy? We're in the 21st century now, Emily.

I'd ask for evidence of any of this, but I suspect that would be a waste of both yours and my time.

I believe science can prove this, by measuring the difference in energy and also the effects of healing on schizophrenic patients who no longer are plagued by voices after they go through the treatment. this has significant impact on mental health and criminal justice reform, so it is just a matter of time before medical research catches up with the priests and doctors who have been practicing this already.

Sources: Dr. Scott Peck "Glimpses of the Devil" where he thought it was dark age nonsense also until he took on two cases of schizophrenic patients and found out these methods of diagnosis treatment and cure worked and followed set patterns and stages like curing other diseases.

Pro-tip - just saying words like 'energy' doesn't constitute evidence.

It's all bunk, designed to fool the gullible into subscribing to it in an attempt to fleece them of their money.

There is no evidence for 'spiritual energy' because it doesn't exist. It's nonsense. I hope you've got deep pockets, they'll be a lot lighter by the time you come to actually rely on these 'energies' for healing.

(February 10, 2015 at 6:41 pm)emilynghiem Wrote:

(February 10, 2015 at 6:36 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: Black magic? Negative spiritual energy? We're in the 21st century now, Emily.

I'd ask for evidence of any of this, but I suspect that would be a waste of both yours and my time.

I believe science can prove this, by measuring the difference in energy and also the effects of healing on schizophrenic patients who no longer are plagued by voices after they go through the treatment. this has significant impact on mental health and criminal justice reform, so it is just a matter of time before medical research catches up with the priests and doctors who have been practicing this already.

Sources: Dr. Scott Peck "Glimpses of the Devil" where he thought it was dark age nonsense also until he took on two cases of schizophrenic patients and found out these methods of diagnosis treatment and cure worked and followed set patterns and stages like curing other diseases.

Dr. Scott Peck really.... http://www.amazon.com/Help-Debunking-Out...1934454141

anyways when science and religion collide no matter how much you faith in the bias that it is true and science can and will find a god but listen.. it won't science doesn't work like that it takes time money and patience to get your answer and god the devil hell heaven is something that highly doesn't exist.

What I'd say can be demonstrated by statistics and example is that Forgiveness of religious conflicts correlates with ability to Reconcile on shared truths between the two sides, and Unforgiveness and rejection correlates with Inability to reconcile.

So I would pursue a consensus on what God means first, and then that would lead to showing both things 1. That other names for God are included but also 2. Why Christ Jesus is unique above all others as representing the central ability to reconcile all conflicts in the spirit of truth and justice, which would be "proven" or agreed upon in the process.

(February 11, 2015 at 12:27 pm)emilynghiem Wrote: What I'd say can be demonstrated by statistics and example is that Forgiveness of religious conflicts correlates with ability to Reconcile on shared truths between the two sides, and Unforgiveness and rejection correlates with Inability to reconcile.

Emily, really, that statement has exactly zero content at all. It's just a long stream of Chopra-like word salad squeeze into one giant deepity.

(February 10, 2015 at 6:46 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(February 10, 2015 at 6:41 pm)emilynghiem Wrote: I believe science can prove this, by measuring the difference in energy and also the effects of healing on schizophrenic patients who no longer are plagued by voices after they go through the treatment. this has significant impact on mental health and criminal justice reform, so it is just a matter of time before medical research catches up with the priests and doctors who have been practicing this already.

Sources: Dr. Scott Peck "Glimpses of the Devil" where he thought it was dark age nonsense also until he took on two cases of schizophrenic patients and found out these methods of diagnosis treatment and cure worked and followed set patterns and stages like curing other diseases.

Dr. Scott Peck really.... http://www.amazon.com/Help-Debunking-Out...1934454141

anyways when science and religion collide no matter how much you faith in the bias that it is true and science can and will find a god but listen.. it won't science doesn't work like that it takes time money and patience to get your answer and god the devil hell heaven is something that highly doesn't exist.

If you don't believe or trust Scott Peck as a source, the same process he went through to observe this himself can be replicated. You are free to research this for yourself, as others have done, instead of taking it on blind faith it is false without comparing all other cases. That's fine but you would be as closeminded as Christians who reject Buddhism as false on its face, while Christians who have studied Buddhism find that it is consistent and not false or conflicting.

If you reject others on blind faith, they reject you.

There is no evidence. It has never been demonstrated. If you have a scientific study that I can look at supporting your claims, I would be happy to reconsider.

(February 10, 2015 at 6:42 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(February 10, 2015 at 6:16 pm)emilynghiem Wrote: If you want uniqueness, I'd say to look into the studies on spiritual healing through deliverance from demons. From what I understand, only the Authority of Christ Jesus invokes the spiritual energy level that can get rid of the Satan and occult curses and demons that get invoked with black magic.
the other means of trying to heal or ward off these negative energies aren't strong or universal enough, and get caught up in them. The negative energy is too strong, except for the concentrated and centralized prayers in Christ Jesus that claim authority over all other levels of laws, natural or spiritual.

Your position has been debunked when people started having ration thoughts. Besides its the 21st century things like your world view with demons and dark energy and other things related have been debunked.

You sound like people who think God is already proven so anything else is debunked.

I even have an atheist friend who got rid of demons in his head, real or imagined, by going through spiritual healing deliverance prayer to forgive and heal of past child abuse from two generations back. Real or delusional, those demonic rages are gone and my friend is alive and recovering from drug abuse now.
If this works for people, real or imagined, why not use it so people don't suffer from constant psychosis. At least they have their minds back, and don't fear demonic voices obssessions or rages anymore. What's wrong with therapy if it is voluntary and it works!