(February 22, 2015 at 11:37 am)Norman Humann Wrote: Oh but you're not answering my knuckleheaded question. What kind of sin has an infant committed? Whether you 'believe' in baptising infants is irrelevant.

You are making claims. Like this one:

You are baptized when you are old enough to make the decision, babies aren't able to make that choice. You cant find anywhere, in the Bible requiring babies to be baptized.

They aren't claims, if you would like the scriptures to accompany what I said, I am happy to oblige.

(February 22, 2015 at 11:55 am)Huggy74 Wrote: You are baptized when you are old enough to make the decision, babies aren't able to make that choice. You cant find anywhere, in the Bible requiring babies to be baptized.

Still doesn't answer my question. What sin has an infant committed?

Whether the scripture speaks about baptising infants is also irrelevant. They are being baptised. Half of all Christians are catholics, which means they were most likely baptised as infants.

(February 22, 2015 at 11:31 am)Huggy74 Wrote: They aren't claims, if you would like the scriptures to accompany what I said, I am happy to oblige.

They aren't? What would you call them, then?

I want to answer Brakeman's question about why the devil wants to destroy Christianity.

The devil (Satan/ HaSatan- the adversary) intently hates all humanity, seeks to implant lies about God, nature and people.
He hates everything God created, he hates truth.

If one can't rid themselves of an enemy, a secondary way is to subvert the enemy into self-destruction.
Thus, he creates the various false religions and systems of error.
Again, this creature and all who are with him are Man's test.

But all who relentlessly pursues Truth (setting aside personal preferences)- will find it.

(February 22, 2015 at 11:31 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 22, 2015 at 7:43 am)Norman Humann Wrote: What sin has an infant committed?

You're just preaching. In order for any of your claims to be valid, you need to believe in god in the first place.

First of all I don't believe in baptizing infants.

secondly, I'm not making any claims, you're the one who started the thread, I'm answering your knuckleheaded question.

The cycle continues, ask Christians about their beliefs, then bring up the fact that you don't believe in God when you get an answer...

What I don't get is, why are you wasting you time talking about a subject you "don't believe in"? no life?

Are you subscribed to a harry potter (as you guys like to put it) forum also?

Huggy did you forget this is an Atheist forum? No one dragged you here. You chose to visit not only an atheist forum but you made the decision to come on the part of the forum specifically set up to debate theist. Most atheists have considered the same points you made and discovered they were not convincing.

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(February 22, 2015 at 12:14 pm)professor Wrote: I want to answer Brakeman's question about why the devil wants to destroy Christianity.

The devil (Satan/ HaSatan- the adversary) intently hates all humanity, seeks to implant lies about God, nature and people.
He hates everything God created, he hates truth.

If one can't rid themselves of an enemy, a secondary way is to subvert the enemy into self-destruction.
Thus, he creates the various false religions and systems of error.
Again, this creature and all who are with him are Man's test.

But all who relentlessly pursues Truth (setting aside personal preferences)- will find it.

The all powerful god could just kill off Satan.

I want to comment on infant baptism.
Another lie designed to hook people into Catholicism for life.

AFTER believing / repenting/ committing oneself to Christ - baptism is an outward sing of an inward change.
All children go to Heaven.

(February 22, 2015 at 12:14 pm)professor Wrote: Thus, he creates the various false religions and systems of error.
Again, this creature and all who are with him are Man's test.

And how do you know yours isn't as false as the rest of them

Hi Nope, hang in there, the stuffing of the devil (with the AC and his False Prophet to be) is dead ahead.
He was given a span of time to operate and the sands are running down in the hourglass.

Prof, are you ever going to post anything that isn't an empty assertion?

The only reason we have to believe the devil is evil, and hates humanity, is a book written by the followers of a genocidal narcissist. I take any claims about his enemies with a handful of salt.

Satan has no reason to hate us, aside from the idea that people can read the bible, yet still choose to follow Yahweh and do evil deeds in his name. If Satan has dominion over the world, and secular countries tend to do better than theocratic ones, it seems Satan likes Humans. at least ones that can think for themselves.

The only thing he did was oppose yahweh, and there are some good reasons to do that. He has my sympathies.

(February 22, 2015 at 12:23 pm)professor Wrote: I want to comment on infant baptism.
Another lie designed to hook people into Catholicism for life.

AFTER believing / repenting/ committing oneself to Christ - baptism is an outward sing of an inward change.
All children go to Heaven.

Infant baptism is partially a commitment by the parents and godparents to indoctrinate the infant as a Christian (Catholic, Anglican, etc.).

All Christian parents indoctrinate their infants to be Christian even if they lack the ceremony of infant baptism. All Christian parents are guilty of hooking their children into Christian life.

It would be nice if Christian children were raised free from religion until they finish school and can choose for themselves.