(March 10, 2015 at 11:11 am)robvalue Wrote: There is no way you can know the difference between God talking to you, and a voice you hear which is exactly like you would expect God to be like talking to you, except it's not God. It may be an imposter, or maybe it's all in your head. Either way, you cannot accurately draw such a conclusion.

^^^this

Jim Jeffries Wrote:Who's to say you're not crazy? That's the thing about crazy people. They don't know they're crazy. That's what makes them crazy. The only thing you know for sure on this earth is 'I think therefore I am'. You know you exist. Anything past that is open to interpretation. Right now, I think I'm in Boston, talking to 1200 people. That's what I think I'm doing. But there's a good-to-fair chance that I'm in a mental home standing in front of a white wall going "I hate guns, I hate guns, I hate guns".

(March 10, 2015 at 10:47 am)rasetsu Wrote: "Let's all jump that girl who did the banner #fuckthatho"...

Well an internet search can turn up just about anything, so that's not really proof. How many theists (Christians would probably be more accurate here) have you personally witnessed acting like that?

They exist, no doubt, but in my experience, they are outnumbered by atheists 10:1 (or worse). This is primarily due to the fact that Christians are kind of forced to act a certain way I think, while atheists have no appearances to maintain, but there is still the reality of anger/intolerance that is so extraordinarily prevalent in the atheist community that it almost seems like a specifically-targeted disease.

And by the way, by their own standards, those people you quoted wouldn't be true Christians - not according to that kind of behavior.

(March 10, 2015 at 11:11 am)robvalue Wrote: I have hallucinated voices too. It doesn't happen often, but it happens.

There is no way you can know the difference between God talking to you, and a voice you hear which is exactly like you would expect God to be like talking to you, except it's not God. It may be an imposter, or maybe it's all in your head. Either way, you cannot accurately draw such a conclusion.

It was no hallucination, I assure you. God does not speak to someone and leave any doubt that it was Him.

(March 10, 2015 at 1:31 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: It was no hallucination, I assure you. God does not speak to someone and leave any doubt that it was Him.

Oh, god has spoken to me, too. No doubt in my mind. Told me to kill everyone I knew and myself.

Let's see how you want to make your claim any more valid than mine. Go!

Really, Miles. What about an imposter who impersonated him perfectly? Or a part of your brain telling you it is him without you being aware? By definition, you cannot know it wasn't those things.

(March 10, 2015 at 1:31 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: It was no hallucination, I assure you. God does not speak to someone and leave any doubt that it was Him.

When you literally heard God's voice, how many words did He say, and how many times have you heard His voice?

(March 10, 2015 at 1:31 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote:

(March 10, 2015 at 10:47 am)rasetsu Wrote: "Let's all jump that girl who did the banner #fuckthatho"...

Well an internet search can turn up just about anything, so that's not really proof. How many theists (Christians would probably be more accurate here) have you personally witnessed acting like that?

They exist, no doubt, but in my experience, they are outnumbered by atheists 10:1 (or worse). This is primarily due to the fact that Christians are kind of forced to act a certain way I think, while atheists have no appearances to maintain, but there is still the reality of anger/intolerance that is so extraordinarily prevalent in the atheist community that it almost seems like a specifically-targeted disease.

And by the way, by their own standards, those people you quoted wouldn't be true Christians - not according to that kind of behavior.

Congratulations, Miles. You hit most of the typical excuses Christians give when confronted by anti-atheist hatred.

Salon Magazine: The numbers are in: America still distrusts atheists and Muslims
'Intolerance toward those with different beliefs: A deeply American tradition'

(March 10, 2015 at 2:16 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: When you literally heard God's voice, how many words did He say, and how many times have you heard His voice?

Does it matter? However I see no harm in telling you.

He has spoken to me twice. The first time, all He said was my name:

John 10:3
To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

This happened as soon as I repented.

The second time, there was something I thought I had to do related to my repentance (it isn't about just feeling remorse; one must provide restitution wherever possible), and He simply said "You will not do that" (it was a command, not a prediction).

(March 10, 2015 at 2:24 pm)rasetsu Wrote: Congratulations, Miles. You hit most of the typical excuses Christians give when confronted by anti-atheist hatred.

Salon Magazine: The numbers are in: America still distrusts atheists and Muslims
'Intolerance toward those with different beliefs: A deeply American tradition'

Does typical mean wrong? However, you really shouldn't group me with "Christians," because I have nothing to do with nominal Christendom.

And I'm not talking about sentiment here, but behavior. Yeah, many (if not most) Christians have an unreasonable mistrust of atheists. Muslims I'm not sure should be similarly grouped...Islam is obviously an evil religion. Moderate Islam is a misnomer; they are apostates or they never believed in the first place.

(March 10, 2015 at 1:37 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: Oh, god has spoken to me, too. No doubt in my mind. Told me to kill everyone I knew and myself.

Let's see how you want to make your claim any more valid than mine. Go!

Miles. Are you gonna bite?

(March 10, 2015 at 3:29 pm)Norman Humann Wrote:

(March 10, 2015 at 1:37 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: Oh, god has spoken to me, too. No doubt in my mind. Told me to kill everyone I knew and myself.

Let's see how you want to make your claim any more valid than mine. Go!

Miles. Are you gonna bite?

What's the point? I never said anyone would or should believe me. I'm not trying to prove anything.

So... God commanded you? I thought he was all about free will...