(March 19, 2015 at 4:31 am)Alex K Wrote: No, yes, you're absolutely right. If you start reinterpreting words like that, you can conclude anything you want. It's not something other than gravity, it's still gravity.

That's right. Science always tries to clarify it's terms as much as possible while mystics try to make everything intentionally vague.

Also if we address the problem of Dark Energy and follow that quote's logic we can arrive at a conclusion that since dark energy apparently opposes gravitation (including "mysterious godly Dark Matter") and acts "to tear the Creation apart" it's a work of Satan and since it's around 70% of all the energy and matter in the known Universe and the studies show accelerated expansion Satan is more powerfull than God. That's the way of mystic interpretations.

"I predict that something will happen, somewhere... it will be important... I can't say when it will happen, but it will... mark my words!"

(March 19, 2015 at 4:49 am)Smaug Wrote:

(March 19, 2015 at 4:31 am)Alex K Wrote: No, yes, you're absolutely right. If you start reinterpreting words like that, you can conclude anything you want. It's not something other than gravity, it's still gravity.

That's right. Science always tries to clarify it's terms as much as possible while mystics try to make everything intentionally vague.

Also if we address the problem of Dark Energy and follow that quote's logic we can arrive at a conclusion that since dark energy apparently opposes gravitation (including "mysterious godly Dark Matter") and acts "to tear the Creation apart" it's a work of Satan and since it's around 70% of all the energy and matter in the known Universe and the studies show accelerated expansion Satan is more powerfull than God. That's the way of mystic interpretations.

Haha that's great. Many physicists would probably agree that Dark Energy is the work of the Devil

Although I don't find DE to be as mysteriously mysterious as it's always made out to be. It's just the Energy level of the vacuum. If you look at the Standard Model (i.e. the field theory of all the particles and forces), you find that literally everything in it contributes to the vacuum energy, and the Higgs for sure. The only mystery is that the Standard Model predicts 120 orders of magnitude too much DE (assuming it is valid up to the planck scale, if new particles come in at some closer scale, this number is reduced), and you have to use the cosmological constant to cancel it with enormous precision. If someone finds a technical reason for this cancellation, or an anthropic one which is not so far-fetched, the mystery is not so terrible any more.

For mystics and people with mythical thinking everything is a mystery yet they always have simple answers for any problem. Ask them what is the nature of electric charge? They'll say God, aliens, ZOG, you name it. And they'll do so without thinking even once, let alone twice.

(March 19, 2015 at 5:08 am)Smaug Wrote: For mystics and people with mythical thinking everything is a mystery yet they always have simple answers for any problem.

Tehehe, can I steal that?

(March 19, 2015 at 5:14 am)Alex K Wrote:

(March 19, 2015 at 5:08 am)Smaug Wrote: For mystics and people with mythical thinking everything is a mystery yet they always have simple answers for any problem.

Tehehe, can I steal that?

Sure. Spread the word, my friend!

(March 19, 2015 at 2:11 am)wolfclan96 Wrote: Whats your thoughts on the matter?

Ambiguity and "god of the gaps" make for a poor defense of the Bible, is my thought on the matter. If he can grab some vaguely-worded text and apply it to an area of science that is still unclear and declare it the final word, then he has just validated the works of men like Nostradamus and books like the Quran.

During my physics degree I often used bible passages to solve particle interaction calculations.

(March 19, 2015 at 6:11 am)FreeTony Wrote: During my physics degree I often used bible passages to solve particle interaction calculations.

Sure, who doesn't remember this passage from the outtakes of Sermon on the mount:
Look at the Neutrinos in the air - they are neither charged nor very massive, and yet the heavenly father oscillateth them.

J-man predicted the whole thing 2000 years before it was discovered by "science".

It would have been interesting if some of those "the thruth has always been there" people found and presented a new way to analytically solve partial DE's using the Scriptures (or at least an easy way to obtain a general solution to a completely arbitrary ordinary DE).