Okay let me rephrase that, I don't judge someone based on their parents.

(April 10, 2015 at 7:56 am)C4RM5 Wrote: Okay let me rephrase that, I don't judge someone based on their parents.

Nice backtracking. You just said your god did wrong things. Time to grovel for forgiveness.

I don't judge because I do things wrong too

(April 10, 2015 at 7:56 am)C4RM5 Wrote: Okay let me rephrase that, I don't judge someone based on their parents.

Which makes you more moral than your God.  Well done, I applaud you.

I going to put it out there, I'm horrible at explaining myself.

Ha. Don't worry, it's often hard to express yourself on the interwebz. Kudos for admitting it

Good for you for saying that, you're much more moral than this stupid doctor. That's the first theist opposing this, I'm sad to say! But I'm glad to finally see one.

(April 10, 2015 at 7:34 am)Dystopia Wrote: I don't actually oppose doctors not performing abortions if there's someone else who is available to do it because I understand the different conceptions of life people have but treating children of same-sex couples does not violate your ethics in anyway - In fact, it is completely irrelevant who the parents are and what they do, what matters is that you have to treat someone - In this case you are basically saying "fuck you" to a kid because of what their parents did or do.

Indeed. I have no problem with doctors choosing specialities which fit their preferences (e.g. 'I don't agree with abortions therefore I'm going to work in a different area of medicine'); I also have no problem with doctors witholding their services in specific cases but only for certain reasons (e.g. suffering threats of violence from a drunk patient). I find that this case fits none of those criteria as the doctor was already a paediatrician and the patient was doing nothing wrong. She had a medical & professional responsibility (if not obligation) to treat the child. Her actions were simply unprofessional. In the UK, a complaints tribunal could impose sanctions ranging from temporary suspension all the way up to being permanently struck off. I'm amazed that anyone would even try to defend her actions.

I hold the view that you shouldn't be able to refuse a service due to who someone is ie race,sexuality.etc. However I believe you shouldn't be forced to make something if it goes against your beliefs.

(April 10, 2015 at 8:58 am)Ben Davis Wrote: I also have no problem with doctors witholding their services in specific cases but only for certain reasons (e.g. suffering threats of violence from a drunk patient).

That's actually covered by ethical standards. The first thing you hear when training to be a medic is self preservation always tops saving others. But it's totally unethical to refuse treatment because you don't like what the patient stands for.

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(April 10, 2015 at 9:38 am)C4RM5 Wrote: I hold the view that you shouldn't be able to refuse a service due to who someone is ie race,sexuality.etc. However I believe you shouldn't be forced to make something if it goes against your beliefs.

Total bullshit. Belief as the killer argument opens all kinds of doors to get away with unethical and despicable behavior. If you don't want to treat some people because of your belief system, you should make that decision before going to med school and enter in a profession that is rightfully held to the most serious ethical standards.