(April 28, 2015 at 11:07 am)pocaracas Wrote: Awww.... don't worry, it's all just speculation... it may turn out that way... but it may also turn out some other way.

Cheer up, you still have two seasons until you get that info... maybe.

I've heard that that information hasn't even been revealed in the books let alone the show, but still...  Here's to hoping that I forget this before it becomes pertinent to the show...

Oooh, just had another (fanfictiony) idea:

(April 28, 2015 at 11:44 am)Yeauxleaux Wrote: My housemate actually (accidentally) spoiled something from the books as we were watching last night. I won't spoil, but let's just say that if they follow the books, there's some big shit about to go down and it will shock you. It should be late season 5/ early season 6, and actually I can see it possibly being a "last scene of the season" moment. That big.

I'm hoping they do, because what I've heard is badass as fuck.

I really need to really these damned books.  :p  Maybe I'll borrow them from my friend this weekend.

I hope whatever you're teasing happens this season.  Sansa needs to kick some ass.

If it's what I think he's talking about, it won't happen this season. GRRM really needs to get that sixth book out before season 6 of the show, or they are going to start really spoiling the books.

And what I put in the spoiler tags is a fan theory (backed up by some really convincing evidence, I might add) that hasn't been borne out in the books yet.

I think Littlefinger's whole plan is to have Sansa installed as Warden of the North. He doesn't want the North, but he does want someone in there that he knows he can trust. The Bolton's aren't that. Sansa, he believes, is. I do think Theon will get his vengeance. This whole storyline has so completely departed from the books that I have no inkling of what might happen. But I would love it if Sansa undid Ramsay's work and convinced him to kill Ramsay, marry her as a Greyjoy, and rule the North. I don't think Sansa knows about Theon's betrayal.

Arya's storyline is pretty close to the books, and that's nice. Jon is going to see some pretty awesome shit going down in his neck of the woods this season. I do love his storyline and how it intertwines with Stannis/Melisandre.

I really do hope we visit the Greyjoys and meet Victarion. And I hope we see more of Areo Hotah. His longaxe is just as I pictured it.

Nothing has ever inspired this much fanboy in me.

(April 28, 2015 at 4:11 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(April 28, 2015 at 11:07 am)pocaracas Wrote: Awww.... don't worry, it's all just speculation... it may turn out that way... but it may also turn out some other way.

Cheer up, you still have two seasons until you get that info... maybe.

I've heard that that information hasn't even been revealed in the books let alone the show, but still...  Here's to hoping that I forget this before it becomes pertinent to the show...

Oooh, just had another (fanfictiony) idea:

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What if Jon and Dany end up meeting and marrying and ruling the seven kingdoms together?  It'd be a real coup for Jon.  Dany could probably do better.

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HAHAHAHAHA....-.-' no!
You're really a girl, aren't you?

(April 28, 2015 at 4:11 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(April 28, 2015 at 11:44 am)Yeauxleaux Wrote: My housemate actually (accidentally) spoiled something from the books as we were watching last night. I won't spoil, but let's just say that if they follow the books, there's some big shit about to go down and it will shock you. It should be late season 5/ early season 6, and actually I can see it possibly being a "last scene of the season" moment. That big.

I'm hoping they do, because what I've heard is badass as fuck.

I really need to really these damned books.  :p  Maybe I'll borrow them from my friend this weekend.

I hope whatever you're teasing happens this season.  Sansa needs to kick some ass.

Well, if you ever feel like reading off a screen, I have the epub version that I read. I can *ahem* borrow them, if you promise to give them back

The books are amazing, to be honest. I definitely suggest them, whether you watch the show or not.

Then I suggest the show.

(April 28, 2015 at 4:36 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: If it's what I think he's talking about, it won't happen this season. GRRM really needs to get that sixth book out before season 6 of the show, or they are going to start really spoiling the books.

Or they start making movies instead of the TV series.  I've heard they might go that route.

Quote:I think Littlefinger's whole plan is to have Sansa installed as Warden of the North. He doesn't want the North, but he does want someone in there that he knows he can trust. The Bolton's aren't that. Sansa, he believes, is. I do think Theon will get his vengeance. This whole storyline has so completely departed from the books that I have no inkling of what might happen.

So... you think Little Finger wants to become king and have a trusted warden of the North or something?  If he doesn't want the North for himself, then what does he want?

Quote:But  I would love it if Sansa undid Ramsay's work and convinced him to kill Ramsay, marry her as a Greyjoy, and rule the North.

With Sansa and Theon in the same place it's only a matter of time before their stories collide again.  OOOOOO!!!!  Maybe Theon is the one that ends up saving Sansa from Ramsay's psycho girlfriend?

Quote:I don't think Sansa knows about Theon's betrayal.

No, she doesn't.  Theon might tell her and then my awesome idea of Sansa+Theon=4ever will be ruined!!!

Quote:I really do hope we visit the Greyjoys and meet Victarion. And I hope we see more of Areo Hotah. His longaxe is just as I pictured it.

I don't know what any of this means...

Quote:Nothing has ever inspired this much fanboy in me.

I confess, this is not the first time I've seriously fangirled.  

(April 28, 2015 at 4:37 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(April 28, 2015 at 4:11 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: Oooh, just had another (fanfictiony) idea:

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What if Jon and Dany end up meeting and marrying and ruling the seven kingdoms together?  It'd be a real coup for Jon.  Dany could probably do better.

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HAHAHAHAHA....-.-' no!
You're really a girl, aren't you?

I actually think the most awesome thing would be for Dany to rule all by herself and not get married, but seeing as she has this huge blood-right thing happening with the throne I can't see her going to her death and not leaving a Targaryen heir.  

That doesn't mean she has to get married, though.  She could have Dario's kid.  (Which would suck because she'd be having version 2's kid, not super-hot version 1's.)   But without a marriage and a "legitimate" heir, it'll just leave doubts about who the next queen/king would be after she died.

(April 28, 2015 at 4:37 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Well, if you ever feel like reading off a screen, I have the epub version that I read. I can *ahem* borrow them, if you promise to give them back

If my friend won't part with her paperbacks I might take you up on this.

Maybe I'm being over-analytical but I don't really know why the North is so attractive to people. The Starks maybe, because "homeland". But I mean, it's shit cold, looks barren to fuck, and it's the first place that'll get overrun by the white walkers once winter really sets in (although they're still in denial about this?).

Anyone with any sense is getting on the first boat to Essos. I'm not staying in Westeros with those freaky fuckers running around. No way Jose.

I think, and this is based more on TV clues than book ones, that Littlefinger wants what the Spider wants, a kingdom not at war, with a ruler who will help the people, not just worry about their own power. I *think* Littlefinger is preparing Westeros for the eventual arrival of Danny.

(April 29, 2015 at 8:15 pm)Aroura Wrote: I think, and this is based more on TV clues than book ones, that Littlefinger wants what the Spider wants, a kingdom not at war, with a ruler who will help the people, not just worry about their own power.  I *think* Littlefinger is preparing Westeros for the eventual arrival of Danny.

As I tell myself when I think I know what Littlefinger is up to: "that's what he (George RR) wants you to think!"

(April 29, 2015 at 7:41 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(April 28, 2015 at 4:36 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: If it's what I think he's talking about, it won't happen this season. GRRM really needs to get that sixth book out before season 6 of the show, or they are going to start really spoiling the books.

Or they start making movies instead of the TV series.  I've heard they might go that route.  

Hadn't heard that. It would be a lucrative thing for them to start from scratch and do the entire series in movie form. I cannot imagine HBO giving up the rights while the show is on. But I'd totally pay for the movies. Start this train all over again.

(April 29, 2015 at 7:41 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

Quote:I think Littlefinger's whole plan is to have Sansa installed as Warden of the North. He doesn't want the North, but he does want someone in there that he knows he can trust. The Bolton's aren't that. Sansa, he believes, is. I do think Theon will get his vengeance. This whole storyline has so completely departed from the books that I have no inkling of what might happen.

So... you think Little Finger wants to become king and have a trusted warden of the North or something?  If he doesn't want the North for himself, then what does he want?

I think Littlefinger and Varys were working against each other for the same goal: give the Seven Kingdoms back to the Targaryens. Littlefinger wants to prove the most valuable player in doing so, and garner the most power after all is said and done. The North is big, the size of the other six+ kingdoms (Dorne, the Crownlands, the Vale, the Riverlands, the Stormlands, The Westerlands, the Reach, and the Iron Islands) combined. But it is barren and doesn't carry the power that the Westerlands, the Reach, or the Stormlands hold. I think that Littlefinger wants to raise his station such that he could be the Hand of the King. He has no hope of being the most powerful man in Westeros, but if he is puppetmaster to all of the plebes in Westeros, and installs Dany and her King (and he knows something that will help him do this, I suspect) they will be indebted to him and his influence enough that he could aspire to be the hand---with the Vale and the North in tow, and maybe even Casterly Rock.

(April 29, 2015 at 7:41 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

Quote:But  I would love it if Sansa undid Ramsay's work and convinced him to kill Ramsay, marry her as a Greyjoy, and rule the North.

With Sansa and Theon in the same place it's only a matter of time before their stories collide again.  OOOOOO!!!!  Maybe Theon is the one that ends up saving Sansa from Ramsay's psycho girlfriend?

Quote:I don't think Sansa knows about Theon's betrayal.

No, she doesn't.  Theon might tell her and then my awesome idea of Sansa+Theon=4ever will be ruined!!!

This, to me, is the most interesting storyline. This is likely because I have no idea what to expect. I think you're on to something with Theon saving Sansa from Ramsay's ladies. It would be even better if that moment was when she recognizes him!

(April 29, 2015 at 7:41 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

Quote:I really do hope we visit the Greyjoys and meet Victarion. And I hope we see more of Areo Hotah. His longaxe is just as I pictured it.

I don't know what any of this means...

Theon's people! In book 4, the Greyjoys and Theon's uncles play a big part. His uncles Victarion, Euron Crow's Eye, and Aeron Damphair are awesome characters. His sister Asha (Yara in the series) is a freaking boss, too!

Areo Hotah is the captain of the Guard at Sunspear. He is the personal bodyguard of Prince Doran Martell. The black guy with the bitchin' axe in the scene where Elia argues with Doran at the Water Gardens. He is a minor character, but one of my faves.

(April 29, 2015 at 7:41 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: I actually think the most awesome thing would be for Dany to rule all by herself and not get married, but seeing as she has this huge blood-right thing happening with the throne I can't see her going to her death and not leaving a Targaryen heir.  

That doesn't mean she has to get married, though.  She could have Dario's kid.  (Which would suck because she'd be having version 2's kid, not super-hot version 1's.)   But without a marriage and a "legitimate" heir, it'll just leave doubts about who the next queen/king would be after she died.

Oh she'll leave a Targaryen heir. And in keeping with a long Targaryen tradition.

The one thing I have learned from this show and even the book series:

No matter what seems the most obvious choice or logical explanation, GRRM is sure to twist it in order to change the effect and piss me off.