In my job, I do butt loads of required mental gymnastics forms called "5 Why's." I'm going to put my answers in but I'd love to hear yours as well, you might have better ones.

It's basically a tool to get down to the root causes of problems.

So let's pick the issue of Grey's death using our best guess.

Grey is attacked and murdered by police while in police custody.

1. Why? - Likely because the cops wanted teach him a lesson in "cop respect" and he was too slow of a student.

2. Why? - The cops take a "us against them" mentality and often the "Them" become stereotyped and racially focused.

3. Why? - The cops' "Beat" is separate from his home so that he lives in a more lawful neighborhood than the one he patrols, giving him the feeling that he is an outsider going into a "Zoo."

4. Why? - The police don't want to live in an area that is insecure.

5. Why? - Insecure places keep the poor in poverty due to theft, make raising kids without bad social influence and bullying impossible, stifle civic improvements, and create stressful living environments.

Why are there insecure places in America? Not enough money to hire cops from within every neighborhood, because republicans have squeezed local coffers to the point that they send a fewer cops in cars to cover long distances and make entry into police academies expensive. The small pool of cops again reinforces the Fraternity thinking of "Us verses Them." A bad idea in my opinion.

(May 2, 2015 at 2:08 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(May 2, 2015 at 1:01 pm)Nestor Wrote: It's true, Nap. There is such a thing as a black person in uniform.

It's really indicative of the kind of narrative a lot of media outlets want to paint though.

I'm a little embarrassed to say I honestly wasn't expecting 1 of the officers charged to be black, let alone 3. But I guess this shows the Baltimore situation is less about race and more about bad relations with police. 

When people get shot for not wearing a seat belt or have the shit beaten out of them for walking down the street those sorts of bad relations will happen.

(May 2, 2015 at 3:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: When people get shot for not wearing a seat belt or have the shit beaten out of them for walking down the street those sorts of bad relations will happen.

Still stating the obvious I see.

Let me know when the obvious stops.

(May 2, 2015 at 2:08 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(May 2, 2015 at 1:01 pm)Nestor Wrote: It's true, Nap. There is such a thing as a black person in uniform.

It's really indicative of the kind of narrative a lot of media outlets want to paint though.

I'm a little embarrassed to say I honestly wasn't expecting 1 of the officers charged to be black, let alone 3. But I guess this shows the Baltimore situation is less about race and more about bad relations with police. 

What is it indicative of? That black people hold positions in law enforcement doesn't change the dynamics that blacks are at higher risk of being mistreated, and even killed, at the hands of police officers, usually white, who then face no accountability for their actions. This is not just about Baltimore. It's systematic in my country and has been ever since it was founded. There were poor whites who were slaves prior to the Civil War, and blacks who held positions of superiority over other blacks and perpetuated the framework that granted them greater freedoms---called "Uncle Toms"---and that doesn't change the "narrative" that race had a role in land ownership and the lack of rights of those who worked the land as human property. I don't think it really makes a difference that 3 officers were black and 3 were white. The poor relations between police and blacks still remains a problem which is my government's responsibility to fix, and marches or riots in urban communities will continually result until they do. 

(May 1, 2015 at 9:18 am)Nestor Wrote:

(May 1, 2015 at 3:43 am)A Theist Wrote: There's a far greater rate of blacks murdering other blacks as well as other black on black crimes in their own communities. Why aren't people responding to that issue? Of the top ten cities with the highest murder rates in the U.S. Baltimore ranked 5th behind Detroit at the number one spot. Both Detroit and Baltimore also have some of the highest percentages of blacks living there with Detroit at the number two position and Baltimore coming in 6th. Why aren't Al Sharpton and the other race hustlers speaking out on the high rate of black on black crimes?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/12...45404.html

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0884135.html

That has absolutely nothing to do with police murdering citizens with impunity.

No, but it has everything to do with you bullshit pretenders only seeming to voice concerns whenever there's an incident involving blacks and the police or incidences involving whites and blacks. Most of you here seem to think that the only issues facing blacks are the cops and white people, and you seem more concerned with stirring up a lynch mob against the police and getting whitey. Most of you don't even wait until all the investigations and all the reports are completed. You just want that lynch mob. You're not really concerned. You're just full of shit. I have yet to see the most of you voicing concerns about the high crime rates within the black neighborhoods or the high unemployment rate among blacks. That's not to say there wasn't some hokey shit going on with the Gray incident.  But most of you here love to rush to judgement whenever you can paint a caricature of black victimization. People living in bad neighborhoods can take responsibility for themselves to make their communities better. They don't need any more agitation from zealots who are more concerned with stirring up lynch mobs and riots. Fixing the issues of mistrust between the police and black communities has to work both ways.

In other news, controversy is stirring over the charges against the six Baltimore officers...

Quote:FOP calls on prosecutor to recuse herself, defends officers

A Fraternal Order of Police lodge is asking Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby to appoint a special prosecutor to the Freddie Gray investigation because of her personal connection to the Gray family's attorney, William H. "Billy" Murphy Jr., and her marriage to a city councilman.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/marylan...story.html
 

(May 3, 2015 at 2:03 am)Nestor Wrote: What is it indicative of?

The... narrative... that the media want to portray.... I said this.

Quote:This is not just about Baltimore.

Is it that time in the thread again? "Misconstrue what I'm saying" time?

I never said it was just about Baltimore. Fuck me, it's everyone else who has turned this thread into being just about Baltimore, yet at the same time they chastise me for 'not looking at the bigger picture'.

This is probably the most fucky thread I've ever been involved in on this forum.

(May 1, 2015 at 12:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:There's a far greater rate of blacks murdering other blacks as well as other black on black crimes in their own communities.

And in Adolf's book that makes it okay for his stormtroopers to kill any nigger they want.  Sieg Heil, Adolf...you nazi fuck.

One thing that's not in my book is using the "N" word. I see you have no problem with throwing it around, though...you racist KKK shit.

(May 3, 2015 at 9:25 am)A Theist Wrote:

(May 1, 2015 at 12:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote: And in Adolf's book that makes it okay for his stormtroopers to kill any nigger they want.  Sieg Heil, Adolf...you nazi fuck.

One thing that's not in my book is using the "N" word. I see you have no problem with throwing it around, though...you racist KKK shit.

Using it in certain contexts is okay to me, but I do have to say, the context Min uses it in there doesn't seem too appropriate. 

I wouldn't read so much into it though A Theist, I don't think it makes him a racist. An insensitive idiot perhaps. Not necessarily racist.

(May 3, 2015 at 9:29 am)Napoléon Wrote:

(May 3, 2015 at 9:25 am)A Theist Wrote: One thing that's not in my book is using the "N" word. I see you have no problem with throwing it around, though...you racist KKK shit.

Using it in certain contexts is okay to me, but I do have to say, the context Min uses it in there doesn't seem too appropriate. 

I wouldn't read so much into it though A Theist, I don't think it makes him a racist. An insensitive idiot perhaps. Not necessarily racist.

He's definitely an insensitive idiot for sure. He throws that word around a lot. One would think that if he's going to address a racial issue he'd refrain from using racial slurs to get his point across.