(May 2, 2015 at 2:58 am)robvalue Wrote: Here's some stuffs about millbandybrain and his totalitarian islam toadying efforts:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics...-vote.html

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse...mediately/

Pitifully, if you break down what he is actually saying, it's "Being irrationally scared of Islam is going to be made an aggravated crime."

If you're going to bastardise a phrasing so utterly milliband, you have to be pretty clear on what distorted definition you have in your brain. And why exactly Islam needs special protection above and beyond discrimination, hate speech laws etc. that already exist.

Why does Allah need so much protection? Lost the lead in his pencil? Whoops, I said pencil. You can draw with that. Draw pictures of a bloke from ages ago. Blasphemy. There's milliband now with his ball-gag.

Haha, i'm sick of the knee-jerk reaction to defend a minority no matter what, what if that minority isn't particularly fond of other minorities? There's no thought to what they're defending

I think the arguments in those two articles reduce criticism of islam to "they're raping our kids and they're gonna kill all the cartoonists!!", what about all the muslim countries that execute or throw in jail apostates, blasphemers and gay people? If more people heard that argument instead of the first one they'd be more open to "islamophobia"

They do seem to have a penchant for raping kids though

(May 2, 2015 at 4:24 am)I_am_not_mafia Wrote:

(May 1, 2015 at 9:43 am)Saxmoof Wrote: Does anyone take Miliband at his word when he says he won't go into government with the SNP? I believe him, i don't think he would explicitly promise he wouldn't if he intended to go back on it, people wouldn't let him live it down.

I'm not sure I believe him. In this view he doesn't have as much to lose by saying that now and reneging on his statement because he has to appeal to the rest of the UK. Look at how much the Tories lie and people still vote them back in. It's very easy to stand up in front of the camera and appear reasonable and a good choice if you are lying through your teeth. The Tories lied so much before the last election they have since removed all their speeches and videos from on-line sources and the wayback machine.

Clegg lied about tuition fees but he went back on his word in spectacular fashion. Now that means the end of the Lib Dems. They're finished as a party. But it's possible that Miliband might be waiting for a full majority the next time rather than blow his chances this time. Westminster doesn't like coalitions. What Miliband doesn't realise though is that if he lets the Tories in rather than work with SNP then he is also finished in Scotland. Same as the Tories are finished in Scotland.

Now the Scots are in the position of having all or almost all of their seats for one party working solely for Scotland and still never able to have a leader at Westminster. Whereas before they were either ignored or taken for granted which amounts to the same thing. What this means is that the case for independence becomes even stronger.

The situation for Miliband in this election isn't do a deal with the SNP or the tories get in, the tories still won't be able to make a majority even with ukip, the lib dems and the dup

You have to admit it's unfair for a country of 5.5 million people to hold the balance of power over the other 55 million, I know that Scottish people have had Tory policies forced on them that no one there wanted over the years but everyone where i'm from in the north of England could say the same, where's our independence? 

(May 2, 2015 at 6:15 pm)Saxmoof Wrote: The situation for Miliband in this election isn't do a deal with the SNP or the tories get in, the tories still won't be able to make a majority even with ukip, the lib dems and the dup

You have to admit it's unfair for a country of 5.5 million people to hold the balance of power over the other 55 million, I know that Scottish people have had Tory policies forced on them that no one there wanted over the years but everyone where i'm from in the north of England could say the same, where's our independence? 

1) If Miliband doesn't want anything to do with the SNP and the Tories can't get in either then there will be a re-election.
2) The country voted to keep first-past-the-post rather than AV so the UK has collectively asked for a system that allows situations where any small minority can hold the power.
3) Fight for regional devolution from Westminster like the Scots have if that's what you want. Hopefully as happened with the Scots though it won't take many decades.

(May 2, 2015 at 1:31 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote:

(May 2, 2015 at 1:13 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Just after World War 2 manufacturing was 40% of the UK economy today it is 20% half of what it was the decline has been relentless.

The service industry now accounts for 66% of the economy.

How else can I see this other than a shift from manufacturing to service based economy?

Quote:Never said there wasn't. In fact, I said we had a tertiary based economy, which is true. Seriously, re-read what I said and see it for yourself. I also made no comment about the diversification of the UK economy from Manufacturing to Tertiary. I agree that's happened, and disagree that that is inherently bad. Services are a requirement of our global economy.

Services are a vital part of economies true but the traditional way to extricate a country from a recession is through manufacturing exports.
Maybe the UK overall isn't as bad as I had though. However the manufacturing is being concentrated. Take my town for example. We used to have a large TV factory, Chemical plant and a wall paper factory, all gone to be replaced with service industries employing a few where once hundreds worked.

The manufacturing jobs just aren't there.

Quote:Talking of percentages of the economy isn't very helpful. You can have a 99% secondary sector economy and it still produce less than 10th of a tertiary sector (exports don't just mean hard goods/raw materials). My point is that when people say 'the UK doesn't have a manufacturing sector' or 'the UK doesn't produce anything' , they are touting a demonstrable and factual untruth.

Maybe we produce but do we employ?
Does this support societies like it used to?
It doesn't appear to.

Quote:Again, I don't know where it comes from, but the UK produces hundreds of billions of pounds worth of exports and goods for consumption (BOP in favour of exports is not universally good, either).

Again, to reiterate, the only two points (facts) I'm trying to make in response here is that the UK is neither an economy that produces nothing nor is it 'irrelevant' on the global economic and social stage. It is a major player in both, one of the most powerful in fact. I haven't made any other points that can be responded to, including trident and how great Germany is. I don't care about either of those points.

Fair enough.

I found this interesting report:
http://www.muslimsinbritain.org/resource...report.pdf
Tells you how many people from the Ummah are in each constituency, and if they could have a significant influence the election result in that constituency. So, for example, if they all voted for one candidate would the MP change. That's what I understand from the report.

One thing about UK elections they are quick.
The US seems to be deep in debate about theirs and it's not till next year.

Labour if I vote. Like Labour about as much as Lib Dem. Anti-UKIP, Anti-Tory, like green more than Labour and Lib Dem but think Labour have the best chance of actually beating Tories and UKIP.

(May 3, 2015 at 12:03 pm)EvidenceVersusFaith Wrote: Labour if I vote. Like Labour about as much as Lib Dem. Anti-UKIP, Anti-Tory, like green more than Labour and Lib Dem but think Labour have the best chance of actually beating Tories and UKIP.

Labour are just a back door to an SNP government. 

Might as well vote whatever can beat Tory/UKIP

I notice that David Cameron has been using the "shirt sleeves rolled up" tactic lately. I think it's supposed to make us believe he's "one of the people".

Maybe I'm being too cynical. Maybe he just wanted to roll his sleeves up. What fucking business is it of mine anyway? Twat.

It's to prove he is not a true magician.