(March 31, 2010 at 6:16 am)tackattack Wrote: Plus I have a lot of other documentation that references JC.

Please present it.

Some Biblical scholars not even sure that JC exsisted.. even you could prove that he was real you could NOT prove he did any of the miricals. I have VIDEO of levetation and other ILLUSIONS.. now adays we see somthing like that and know its a trick. In this day and age we are not easly tricked, back then well.... lets just say if I had a time machine this could be a discussion about IF Criss Angel was real....

I think that conversation started here http://atheistforums.org/thread-2402-pos...l#pid49348

Now please present your references of Orodes III

(March 31, 2010 at 8:23 am)tackattack Wrote: literal belief in Genesis.. blind faith and ignorance.

Yet he was a king and yet you've heard of JC, some rabble-rousing Jew? Ther must be some documentation to back up the historicity, explaining your wealth of knowledge on the subject of JC. Enough knowledge for such an absolute claim at least. My point was it's a lot more likely that Jesus existed then Orodes III, yet one appears historical fact and the other pure fiction. All of tht aside my original point was thatif jesus did exist, then he'd be dead now and he knew he would be when he "said" the quoted scripture above.

I've heard of Santa Claus too, your point being...........?

(March 30, 2010 at 11:01 am)Rwandrall Wrote: Lots of Christians i met say that their belief is based not on blind faith, which is not what God wants. God wants a reasonable faith based on your life experience. They are wrong.
Jesus himself said to the Apostle that wouldn't believe in his resurrection for lack of evidence (see where im going with this ? ) that "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Blind faith is what Jesus thinks is the good kind of faith. How sad is that ?

This is a misunderstanding of what Jesus was saying to Thomas.

Thomas refused to believe that Jesus had risen until he had put his fingers in the nail holes in Jesus' hands. After doing so, his skepticism was gone.

Believers today do not have that direct evidence; they must rely on the indirect or circumstantial evidence. And they are blessed for accepting that evidence without the benefit of actually seeing and touching Jesus the way the original apostles did. However, this is NOT "blind faith". It is faith based upon EVIDENCE provided by eyewitnesses.

There is no evidence of Jesus written by eyewitness. We have hearsay accounts after the fact.

Such "evidence" would be thrown out of any halfway decent court.

In the context of religion, faith is believing things without proper evidence.  If one uses proper evidence, there is no need for the word "faith" at all.  This is somewhat obscured by the fact that, like many words in English, it has multiple definitions:

Quote:Definition of faith in English:

noun
[MASS NOUN]
1Complete trust or confidence in someone or something:this restores one’s faith in politicians

2Strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof:bereaved people who have shown supreme faith

2.1[COUNT NOUN] A particular religion:the Christian faith

2.2[COUNT NOUN] A strongly held belief:men with strong political faiths

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defini...ctCode=all


Notice, none of the definitions is 'believing something based on evidence.'  The relevant sense of the term for the opening post is definition 2.


For some interesting essays on the subject of faith:

http://ajburger.homestead.com/files/book.htm

Believing things without proper evidence is judging things before one has proper evidence; it is pre-judging before one gets evidence, which is prejudice.  Faith is prejudice, but by another name, to attempt to hide the fact that it is a vice and not a virtue at all.

Maybe there was some guy who was a bit mental and he thought getting crucified was somehow a great sacrifice on behalf of mankind. That's very sad if so, but it's got no relevance to me.

Holy necropost, Batman!

Whoa, whoa, I didn't dig up the body, I just had sex with it. Don't look at me. It was already there.