Those doctors are being dishonest. "I cant explain it" only means they cant explain why they couldn't find vitals. There is a reason it is called "near death" and not beyond the window. They couldn't find vitals only means they couldn't find vitals. Once your brain is damaged beyond repair you are no longer the in tact you in a lucid state. You are either a vegetable brain dead or you are literally dead. No one comes back from death.

Secondly it should not shock anyone he claimed to see Jesus if he had been bombarded with the claim prior to the event. Thirdly I am quite sure people of other religions claim to see their god/s or prophets and dead loved ones.

"NDEs" are nothing more than the person's brain stressing out causing the delusion.

(May 17, 2015 at 1:58 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Or is it the other way around? We never would have heard of Pontius Pilate if it were not for Jesus. Josephus mentions Pilate in connection with Jesus. So does Tacitus.

Idiot.  Philo wrote about Pilate without ever mentioning your phony godboy....of course, Philo died c 50 AD which was long before the jesus bullshit was invented.  Josephus wrote about Pilate bringing images of the emperor into Jerusalem which supposedly upset the jews.  Then he wrote that Pilate built an aqueduct to improve the city water supply and used the temple treasury to do so.  (No doubt that pissed off the priests....even today, priests get really upset when their money is threatened!)  And then, some later forger, probably Eusebius, invented the 3d paragraph because the lack of historical references to the godboy was too much for that fucking phony to take.  And to this day, jackasses like you fall for it!

Plus we have the Pilate inscription and various coins from his administration so, no.  Pilate we would know of.  Your godboy?  Not so much.


And, for the record, even if Tacitus is not a later forgery, he never mentions the word "jesus."

All "J" words were created after 1633.  Therefore if you ever see a manuscript with a "J" word in it that was supposedly written before 1633 it's a fake.  "Jesus" didn't exist before 1633.  If Tacitus used any word with a "J" in it then the document is a fake.  

I love how Min, with his extensive knowledge in relation to history, keeps being ignored.

(May 18, 2015 at 11:45 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: All "J" words were created after 1633.  Therefore if you ever see a manuscript with a "J" word in it that was supposedly written before 1633 it's a fake.  "Jesus" didn't exist before 1633.  If Tacitus used any word with a "J" in it then the document is a fake.  

That's one hell of a strawman if I ever saw one. Obviously when people speak of older texts they don't expect the writer to have used modern English. Here's what the word "Jesus" would have looked like in other languages:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_%28name%29

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@Kitan

I think Min gets ignored, not because of his radical position that often seems motivated by anti-Christian sentiment rather than sincere and rational analysis, but due to the fact that he kind of acts like a screaming, petulant child.

He says "fuck" a lot. Let's not exaggerate here.

Ref. Post #160: The joke is that the Bible uses carpenters as metaphors for people who made wooden idols. So by giving Joseph and Jesus the occupations of carpenters it signifies that they were makers of wooden idols. Considering that Jesus ended up nailed to wood and that the figure is displayed almost everywhere it seems to be a valid metaphor. Jesus has become the premier wooden idol.

(May 19, 2015 at 6:07 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Considering that Jesus ended up nailed to wood and that the figure is displayed almost everywhere it seems to be a valid metaphor.  Jesus has become the premier wooden idol.

But that's rather because the writers of the bible knew cruzifixion to be the most dishonering form of Roman executions. It fit nicely into the legend they constructed.

(May 19, 2015 at 8:45 am)Nestor Wrote:

(May 18, 2015 at 11:45 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: All "J" words were created after 1633.  Therefore if you ever see a manuscript with a "J" word in it that was supposedly written before 1633 it's a fake.  "Jesus" didn't exist before 1633.  If Tacitus used any word with a "J" in it then the document is a fake.  

That's one hell of a strawman if I ever saw one. Obviously when people speak of older texts they don't expect the writer to have used modern English. Here's what the word "Jesus" would have looked like in other languages:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_%28name%29

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@Kitan

I think Min gets ignored, not because of his radical position that often seems motivated by anti-Christian sentiment rather than sincere and rational analysis, but due to the fact that he kind of acts like a screaming, petulant child.

Thanks for verifying that the Jesus character is imaginary and that he was created in the 17th Century.  If he had been an actual person with all of his reputed attributes there wouldn't have been any reason whatsoever to change his name.  After all, the fairy tale still uses some of the ancient ethnocentric names for the minor characters.  Every time someone says "Jesus" in reference to the guy in the New Testament they are appealing to an imaginary character.  If he really existed he's going to be very pissed off on Judgment Day.  Calling the guy "Jesus" is like calling God "Spit Bucket".  

(May 19, 2015 at 6:19 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Thanks for verifying that the Jesus character is imaginary and that he was created in the 17th Century.  If he had been an actual person with all of his reputed attributes there wouldn't have been any reason whatsoever to change his name.  

Are you familiar with philology and etymology? Difference languages, which are always changing, often use different words to mean similar things. And created in the 17th century? Most of the things you say are utterly ridiculous, it's almost funny, and worse, you never substantiate them with a single source. The only people who do that as much as you are believers. It's almost funny, I said, because it's mostly just flat out embarrassing.

(May 19, 2015 at 12:46 pm)Stimbo Wrote: He says "fuck" a lot. Let's not exaggerate here.

And will continue to do so when confronted with ignorant fucking bible-thumping asswipes.

And before the "J" was invented their boy was called Iesou....a fact which annoys fundies no end because they literally think he first name was jesus and his last name was christ.