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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
May 26, 2015 at 8:32 am
(May 21, 2015 at 3:57 pm)Iroscato Wrote: (May 21, 2015 at 3:12 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: So if nothing is perfect why do we even have the concept of perfection. Because we have imagination, enabled by our extremely advanced brains.
You seem to have trouble grasping one of the key elements of the argument as well. If somebody does not believe in God, God will allow them to BURN FOR ETERNITY. That is not the action of a loving being. That is the action of an evil being. But please, try and justify it, it will amuse me 
thats because we deserve to join the devil if we reject god. he wants the best for us, there aint a nicer guy than god and a more evil guy than the devil. if we follow the devil we should join him and receive same punishment. but jesus died for us to have life with god. even if you love the devil, you can come to god because of it and have life with him afterwards.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
May 26, 2015 at 8:40 am
Not a nicer guy than Yahweh, or a more evil guy than the devil. That's why Yahweh tortures people for not worshiping him, and the devil values freedom over slavery. Not that we really know anything about Yahweh's enemy, other than things said about him by his enemies.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
May 26, 2015 at 8:46 am
(May 26, 2015 at 8:32 am)Joshua martin pryce Wrote: (May 21, 2015 at 3:57 pm)Iroscato Wrote: Because we have imagination, enabled by our extremely advanced brains.
You seem to have trouble grasping one of the key elements of the argument as well. If somebody does not believe in God, God will allow them to BURN FOR ETERNITY. That is not the action of a loving being. That is the action of an evil being. But please, try and justify it, it will amuse me
thats because we deserve to join the devil if we reject god. he wants the best for us, there aint a nicer guy than god and a more evil guy than the devil. if we follow the devil we should join him and receive same punishment. but jesus died for us to have life with god. even if you love the devil, you can come to god because of it and have life with him afterwards. No, we DON'T deserve eternal torture and hellfire simply for exercising our supposedly God-given free will. It is by his design that Hell was created, and it is by his will that the damned are tortured unendingly. Aside from the act that God is imaginary, he by dint of condemning sinners to eternal, never-ending torture cannot be a good being. Nothing happens outside of his plan - therefore, he knows exactly who will suffer forever and who will not, because it's all part of his design. That means billions are supposedly being tortured for all eternity exactly according to his will. Therefore, he is evil.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
May 27, 2015 at 6:45 pm
(May 26, 2015 at 8:46 am)Iroscato Wrote: No, we DON'T deserve eternal torture and hellfire simply for exercising our supposedly God-given free will. It is by his design that Hell was created, and it is by his will that the damned are tortured unendingly. Aside from the act that God is imaginary, he by dint of condemning sinners to eternal, never-ending torture cannot be a good being. Nothing happens outside of his plan - therefore, he knows exactly who will suffer forever and who will not, because it's all part of his design. That means billions are supposedly being tortured for all eternity exactly according to his will. Therefore, he is evil.
But do keep it up, you are quickly becoming my new favourite plaything
If I see you walking toward a pit of fire and I tell you to be careful so you don't walk into the pit, how does that determine that I want you to fall into the pit? If you're that stupid, you do deserve to fall into the pit. Now Satan, he's really a misunderstood innocent being, using his free will to try to make us fall into the pit--poor guy!
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
May 27, 2015 at 6:53 pm
It's more like if you created a pit of fire, and threatened to throw everyone into the fire, except the ones who grovel and beg you to be your slaves instead. This guy isn't protecting us, or saving us, from hell. he's threatening us with it.
If anything, Satan is trying to get us out of enslavement, and put us on equal footing, or deposing a violent dictator.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
May 27, 2015 at 7:06 pm
(May 27, 2015 at 6:53 pm)Chad32 Wrote: It's more like if you created a pit of fire, and threatened to throw everyone into the fire, except the ones who grovel and beg you to be your slaves instead. This guy isn't protecting us, or saving us, from hell. he's threatening us with it.
If anything, Satan is trying to get us out of enslavement, and put us on equal footing, or deposing a violent dictator.
Or trying to make us go to hell?
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
May 27, 2015 at 7:06 pm
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Willing to bet that every christer in this thread holds men to a higher standard than they hold god.
If I leave my pistol out, and my child - through it's own free will (despite all of my advice to the contrary), shoots the neighbors kid with it, I am -x- with regards to that child's death....?
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
May 27, 2015 at 7:13 pm
(May 27, 2015 at 7:06 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Willing to bet that every christer in this thread holds men to a higher standard than they hold god.
If I leave my pistol out, and my child - through it's own free will (despite all of my advice to the contrary), shoots the neighbors kid with it, I am -x- with regards to that child's death....?
Of course, the child doesn't know that the gun can kill him or her.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
May 27, 2015 at 7:15 pm
(May 27, 2015 at 7:06 pm)Lek Wrote: (May 27, 2015 at 6:53 pm)Chad32 Wrote: It's more like if you created a pit of fire, and threatened to throw everyone into the fire, except the ones who grovel and beg you to be your slaves instead. This guy isn't protecting us, or saving us, from hell. he's threatening us with it.
If anything, Satan is trying to get us out of enslavement, and put us on equal footing, or deposing a violent dictator.
Or trying to make us go to hell?
Give me liberty, or give me death. I really doubt he is as he's portrayed as his enemies, partly because you people seem to think Yahweh is a good guy despite his actions.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
May 27, 2015 at 7:19 pm
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(May 27, 2015 at 7:15 pm)Chad32 Wrote: (May 27, 2015 at 7:06 pm)Lek Wrote: Or trying to make us go to hell?
Give me liberty, or give me death. I really doubt he is as he's portrayed as his enemies, partly because you people seem to think Yahweh is a good guy despite his actions.
Why do you use the bible to show how evil God is, but not to show how evil Satan is? He's the one who enticed Adam and Eve to commit the first sin and blow it all for everyone.
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