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An argument showing time is temporal.
#61
RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
Alex, they mentioned updating the LHC (now that the Higgs has been proven) to give it twice the power.
Has this been accomplished yet? any new minor discoveries?
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#62
RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
No discoveries from the new run, because it was all test collisions, real physics measurements are only commencing now, in the coming weeks. There are some interesting effects in old data from the first run which could potentially be something - namely the decays of B mesons to D mesons are a bit off. But it's only two point something standard deviations.

http://lhcb-public.web.cern.ch/lhcb-public/

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I don't know which doubling of power the docu refers to, can you give specifics. It is now running with 13 TeV after the 2 year upgrade as opposed to 8 TeV previously. Any further upgrades in energy are far away.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-33518.html

Here's my LHC thread if you're interested
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#63
RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
You guys want to muddy the issue, but the premise, that all points of time came into being (didn't always exist) is manifest by the very flow of time. It would not be a point of time were it that it were eternal and always there.

 
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#64
RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
(May 28, 2015 at 12:26 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Every point of time had to come into being and didn't always exist.
Time does not exist, nor did it ever.  Time is a manmade construct.  So, no, there is no god.

(May 28, 2015 at 12:41 pm)Chas Wrote:
(May 28, 2015 at 12:26 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Every point of time had to come into being and didn't always exist.

Implies all of time exists at once.  That is one huge assertion.  Evidence?
IMHO, that is the only escape from first cause and infinite regression.
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#65
RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
(May 31, 2015 at 7:57 am)Alex K Wrote: The name big bang machine already gets my blood boiling. But I admit I love love science docus

You know, you really should be careful about listing your triggers on a public forum.  Suddenly, I have a very strong urge to refer to the LHC in a new way that I was not previously apt to do.  (Even I can see why you don't like that name for it, as that name does not make sense for what it is.)

Maybe I will remember this for future use...

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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#66
RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
(June 1, 2015 at 10:25 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You guys want to muddy the issue, but the premise, that all points of time came into being (didn't always exist) is manifest by the very flow of time. It would not be a point of time were it that it were eternal and always there.
You're the only one who has muddled the issue by injecting "will" and "immense power" into an argument that implies time to have emerged from a state where our notion of temporal change is inapplicable. You simply don't get to dress up your first cause however your little heart desires.
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#67
RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
(June 1, 2015 at 10:43 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: You know, you really should be careful about listing your triggers on a public forum.

I agree, that can be very risky. I myself have a trigger for getting surprise blowjobs from sexy, drunk girls on internet forums.
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#68
RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
(June 1, 2015 at 10:25 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You guys want to muddy the issue, but the premise, that all points of time came into being (didn't always exist) is manifest by the very flow of time. It would not be a point of time were it that it were eternal and always there.

 

Treating points in time as objects whose existence depends on time seems problematically circular. What do you mean when you say a point in time exists or does not exist at a given point in time. Do you define it such that they only exist in themselves by definition?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#69
RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
Time comes in points -- who knew ?
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#70
RE: An argument showing time is temporal.
(June 2, 2015 at 5:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Time comes in points -- who knew ?

Just look at your kitchen clock!  Tick, tick, tick.
All individual points in time!  Wake up everybody!
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