I don't know about you folks, but I want a pound of whatever he's snorting

(June 14, 2015 at 10:51 am)Kitan Wrote: The only thing Rik has managed to discover is ill logic through delusion.

Well he certainly hasn't figured out the new quoting system, intuitional science or no.

(June 14, 2015 at 10:18 am)Little Rik Wrote: If atheists are correct then is possible that there is no reincarnation or anyone that look after evolution (a possible God).
If on the other hand i am correct then there is reincarnation and a possible God that look after the running of this universe. 

Just to clarify: the science of human psychology and how the brain works has nothing to do with atheism. It's just a field of study. It may well eventually reveal all of the secrets of the human brain, and I expect that if this happens we won't find gods or spirits. But the research is not dependent on that. Same with evolution and how it works (which you seem to lack considerable understanding about).

And sure, if you are right then there is a god. If that other guy is right, that god is a specific god with specific plans that might include you spending an eternity in hell. If it's that lady over there, that god is a pantheon of gods with whom you will spend eternity in a great dining hall, drinking mead and eating sentient meals until the end of time. And so on. There are endless varieties of gods and spiritualities and people do not seem to tire of creating new ones or modifying existing ones. But there is still only one way that we can reliably know things for sure, and you all admit that it doesn't work for your belief system. Until you come up with something that actually works, I guess we'll be stuck watching the spiritual variety hour until the universe's last light finally blinks out.

(June 14, 2015 at 10:55 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(June 14, 2015 at 10:51 am)Kitan Wrote: The only thing Rik has managed to discover is ill logic through delusion.

Well he certainly hasn't figured out the new quoting system, intuitional science or no.

It is all about prioritize your life Stim.
Suppose there is a God.
At the end of this particular life both me and you face God.
He-she will ask both of us...........tell me Rik.......what have you done?
Any thing good that deserve a reward?
Well......i try my best to follow spirituality......
Ok......i see ..........yes that's good.....you need no more reincarnation so you can stay here.....
.......now what about you Stim.....what have you done?
Well.....i done my best to learn how the quote system works in the atheist forum....
oh yes......i can see...i appreciate your effort...unfortunately that want help much up here......i think
you better go back down there so you can learn something that will be a lot more useful
up here like spirituality.........thanks for your effort anyway Stim. 

Rik, what have I told you about involving me in your febrile fap fantasies? Pascal's Wager doesn't get me off, even if it does for you. Now haven't you got traffic to go and play in?

(June 14, 2015 at 1:02 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(June 14, 2015 at 10:18 am)Little Rik Wrote: If atheists are correct then is possible that there is no reincarnation or anyone that look after evolution (a possible God).
If on the other hand i am correct then there is reincarnation and a possible God that look after the running of this universe. 

Just to clarify: the science of human psychology and how the brain works has nothing to do with atheism.  It's just a field of study.  It may well eventually reveal all of the secrets of the human brain, and I expect that if this happens we won't find gods or spirits.  But the research is not dependent on that.  Same with evolution and how it works (which you seem to lack considerable understanding about).

And sure, if you are right then there is a god.  If that other guy is right, that god is a specific god with specific plans that might include you spending an eternity in hell.  If it's that lady over there, that god is a pantheon of gods with whom you will spend eternity in a great dining hall, drinking mead and eating sentient meals until the end of time.  And so on.  There are endless varieties of gods and spiritualities and people do not seem to tire of creating new ones or modifying existing ones.  But there is still only one way that we can reliably know things for sure, and you all admit that it doesn't work for your belief system.  Until you come up with something that actually works, I guess we'll be stuck watching the spiritual variety hour until the universe's last light finally blinks out.

1) Once again you start with the wrong foot so to speak by saying that psychology depend on the brain rather than the mind.
This is the usual atheist dogma to give more importance to the matter rather than the consciousness.
2) Are you sure that is me that lack understanding about evolution?
Where is the evidence that the consciousness die when the body die?
3) When did i say that.......it doesn't work for your (my) belief system? 

(June 16, 2015 at 11:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: 1) Once again you start with the wrong foot so to speak by saying that psychology depend on the brain rather than the mind.

Because the mind is a function of the brain. That you reject this does not make it any less true.

Little Rik Wrote:2) Are you sure that is me that lack understanding about evolution?

Yep, I'm pretty sure.

Little Rik Wrote:Where is the evidence that the consciousness die when the body die?

We went through this already, why are you asking all over again as if we didn't?

Little Rik Wrote:3) When did i say that.......it doesn't work for your (my) belief system? 

Every single time that you claim that science cannot say anything about the spiritual or metaphysical, or talk about "intuitional science" which is not an actual thing. You keep saying that this stuff cannot be studied by science, then when I acknowledge that you demand that I tell you when you said it? Are you suffering from short-term memory loss or something? Why are we right back at the beginning, dealing with questions that I answered at least two or three times already?

(June 16, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(June 16, 2015 at 11:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: 1) Once again you start with the wrong foot so to speak by saying that psychology depend on the brain rather than the mind.

Quote:Because the mind is a function of the brain.  That you reject this does not make it any less true.

Evidence, evidence, evidence where is the evidence to state so?      

Little Rik Wrote:2) Are you sure that is me that lack understanding about evolution?

Quote:Yep, I'm pretty sure.

Do you have any evidence that evolution happen only your way and not any other way?
Do you have any evidence that evolution has got to happen because of previous generation
and not by individual that life after life create progress for themselves?
Evidence, evidence Ton please.  

Little Rik Wrote:Where is the evidence that the consciousness die when the body die?

Quote:We went through this already, why are you asking all over again as if we didn't?

This is one of the pillar of atheistic believe based of course on no evidence.
Once again.

Little Rik Wrote:3) When did i say that.......it doesn't work for your (my) belief system? 

Quote:Every single time that you claim that science cannot say anything about the spiritual or metaphysical, or talk about "intuitional science" which is not an actual thing.  You keep saying that this stuff cannot be studied by science, then when I acknowledge that you demand that I tell you when you said it?  Are you suffering from short-term memory loss or something?  Why are we right back at the beginning, dealing with questions that I answered at least two or three times already?

My fault.
I was reading in the hurry and i didn't realize that you mean physical science.  

(June 17, 2015 at 10:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: Evidence, evidence, evidence where is the evidence to state so?

We have discussed this over the last several pages.  I ask again: why are you bringing this up when it was already discussed?

Little Rik Wrote:Do you have any evidence that evolution happen only your way and not any other way?

I don't have a "way" for evolution to happen.  Grab a biology book or any book written on the issue by biologists and you will learn why you are wrong.  Or keep asking for evidence when there is a mountain of literature on the subject already.

Little Rik Wrote:This is one of the pillar of atheistic believe based of course on no evidence.

Incorrect.  I already explained my view of the matter and you did not refute it, you simply made your own claims with no evidence to back them up and pretended that they somehow are more rational than the plainly rational approach I explained (which included my evidence).  Like I said, this has been discussed.  You can actually just go back a few pages and read it.  What is wrong with you?

Little Rik Wrote:My fault.
I was reading in the hurry and i didn't realize that you mean physical science.

By now you should be aware that I accept your distinction between physical science and anything that is not physical science as you define it.  I just think that the latter is made up, and you cannot --by your own explanation-- show otherwise.  You may need to work on that faulty memory.  It could be from too many blows to the head, or just the ravages of old age.  Maybe you need more cholesterol in your diet.

(June 17, 2015 at 12:15 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(June 17, 2015 at 10:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: Evidence, evidence, evidence where is the evidence to state so?

Quote:We have discussed this over the last several pages.  I ask again: why are you bringing this up when it was already discussed?

As far as you or anyone else keep on stating something that is not backed up by solid evidence then i will have to reinstate the obvious
which is...............gimma the evidence mate. 

Little Rik Wrote:Do you have any evidence that evolution happen only your way and not any other way?

Quote:I don't have a "way" for evolution to happen.  Grab a biology book or any book written on the issue by biologists and you will learn why you are wrong.  Or keep asking for evidence when there is a mountain of literature on the subject already.

Sorry Ton but that is no evidence at all.
Did those who write those books die and then came back to life?
How would they know then? 
I on the other hand have read hundreds of NDEs experiences  from people who die and then came back
to life and they are positive that there is God and reincarnation. 

Little Rik Wrote:This is one of the pillar of atheistic believe based of course on no evidence.

Quote:Incorrect.  I already explained my view of the matter and you did not refute it, you simply made your own claims with no evidence to back them up and pretended that they somehow are more rational than the plainly rational approach I explained (which included my evidence).  Like I said, this has been discussed.  You can actually just go back a few pages and read it.  What is wrong with you?

What rational approach?
Don't be ridiculous Ton.
There is nothing rational in your view.
Only if you would die and then come back to life you would know whether your believe
stand up or not.
Did you do that? 
I know instead that thousand of NDEs experience did that and they contradict you.  

Little Rik Wrote:My fault.
I was reading in the hurry and i didn't realize that you mean physical science.

By now you should be aware that I accept your distinction between physical science and anything that is not physical science as you define it.  I just think that the latter is made up, and you cannot --by your own explanation-- show otherwise.  You may need to work on that faulty memory.  It could be from too many blows to the head, or just the ravages of old age.  Maybe you need more cholesterol in your diet.

So you say that your biology books tell the truth and the NDEs are rubbish?
In other words you say that those without direct experience are correct and those with direct experience are wrong.
You never finish to amaze me Ton.