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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
June 25, 2015 at 10:00 pm
(June 25, 2015 at 9:59 pm)Stimbo Wrote: GC, I'm going to sponsor a dolphin and name it after you.
Stimbo no even dolphins are smarter than him that would be a insult...
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
June 25, 2015 at 10:01 pm
Quote:I never said that Christians were not gullible to Satan's tricks
I bet they aren't "true xtians," eh asshole?
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
June 25, 2015 at 10:02 pm
(June 25, 2015 at 9:27 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: (June 25, 2015 at 9:18 pm)Godschild Wrote: You surely lack in any understanding of the Genesis account, sad, very sad.
GC
So, god didn't:
Put the Tree of Knowledge in an easy-to-reach place?
Do a piss poor job of explaining why it should be avoided?
Create the serpent who tempted Eve?
Decided the only fit punishment wasn't just to exile Adam and Eve, but curse the entire species?
Face it, it's an idiotic story, one which only highlights how juvenile the myth is. Any person with a brain knows to put things out of reach of children, which is what Adam and Eve essentially were in their naivety. The supreme being really aught to have had the foresight to not put his precious Tree of Knowledge in the same room as them if it was so important.
Please by all means give me the Biblical references that shows Adam and Eve were child like, your assumptions will not be accepted.
GC
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
June 25, 2015 at 10:09 pm
Really, GC, deaths were higher because of two world wars, which were 70 years ago. Since then, war casualties have gone down, life expectancy up, access to clean food/water/shelter way up, literacy and education up, etc.
Today, June 25th, 2015 is the best day this planet has ever seen. And tomorrow will likely be even better. And yes, that's accounting for ISIS, Syria, Ukraine, the shit bowl that is Africa, etc.
You're indoctrinated to see the world as teetering on the brink because Christianity is all about Christ coming back and saving the faithful. Funny thing is, every generation of Christian has believed they were living in the End Times. It hasn't happened yet, obviously, and never will. And while you see doom pulling at the strings of every action the numbers, the facts, tell us this is the safest, most prosperous world we've ever lived in.
And I'll let you in on a secret: I don't care what the scriptures say. At all. They hold literally no value to me. Toilet paper means more to me. I know enough about your religion to see it for the farce it is. I have no desire to pursue it further. Until you can come up with something more compelling than the tired 'personal relationship' crap, I see no reason to take it seriously at all. It's just a series of ridiculous ideas competing against other, similar ridiculous ideas.
Regarding Adam and Eve, it's clear that they had no idea of right and wrong since nothing wrong had ever happened until Eve ate the Fruit. All they had to go on was god telling them not to eat it with no explanation as to why. Adding the two together, it's pretty clear that they were childlike and easily swayed. The metaphor of them being naked and carefree, then shameful upon receiving knowledge and disobeying is pretty clear in its transition. But you strike me as someone who doesn't see the bible as a series of metaphors and parables.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
June 25, 2015 at 10:09 pm
(June 25, 2015 at 10:02 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 25, 2015 at 9:27 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: So, god didn't:
Put the Tree of Knowledge in an easy-to-reach place?
Do a piss poor job of explaining why it should be avoided?
Create the serpent who tempted Eve?
Decided the only fit punishment wasn't just to exile Adam and Eve, but curse the entire species?
Face it, it's an idiotic story, one which only highlights how juvenile the myth is. Any person with a brain knows to put things out of reach of children, which is what Adam and Eve essentially were in their naivety. The supreme being really aught to have had the foresight to not put his precious Tree of Knowledge in the same room as them if it was so important.
Please by all means give me the Biblical references that shows Adam and Eve were child like, your assumptions will not be accepted.
GC
The bible isn't a credible source for anything. Given the fact the track record of the bible being right about the world is NIL
it begs the question why the fuck is anyone following the writings because they were clearly written by men. And said men were
not divinely inspired at all because non of the 40 thousand denominations of christians can agree on which version is right.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
June 25, 2015 at 10:16 pm
(June 25, 2015 at 10:02 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 25, 2015 at 9:27 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: So, god didn't:
Put the Tree of Knowledge in an easy-to-reach place?
Do a piss poor job of explaining why it should be avoided?
Create the serpent who tempted Eve?
Decided the only fit punishment wasn't just to exile Adam and Eve, but curse the entire species?
Face it, it's an idiotic story, one which only highlights how juvenile the myth is. Any person with a brain knows to put things out of reach of children, which is what Adam and Eve essentially were in their naivety. The supreme being really aught to have had the foresight to not put his precious Tree of Knowledge in the same room as them if it was so important.
Please by all means give me the Biblical references that shows Adam and Eve were child like, your assumptions will not be accepted.
GC
Quote:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Gen. 3
Dumbfucks were so stupid they didn't even know they were naked.
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Seems quite child like to me.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
June 25, 2015 at 10:21 pm
(June 25, 2015 at 10:00 pm)dyresand Wrote: (June 25, 2015 at 9:59 pm)Stimbo Wrote: GC, I'm going to sponsor a dolphin and name it after you.
Stimbo no even dolphins are smarter than him that would be a insult...
It's to honour his commitment to the field of dolphinetics, but I can see how they would object.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
June 26, 2015 at 2:01 am
(June 25, 2015 at 10:09 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Quote:Regarding Adam and Eve, it's clear that they had no idea of right and wrong since nothing wrong had ever happened until Eve ate the Fruit.
This is your argument that Adam and Eve were child like, seriously! You're right the world was perfect until Adam and Eve disobeyed God.
Quote:All they had to go on was god telling them not to eat it with no explanation as to why.
Again seriously, where is your Biblical support of this, I see no verses supporting your claim. How did you come to the conclusion God never explained things to Adam and Eve.
Quote: Adding the two together, it's pretty clear that they were childlike and easily swayed.
The two add up to unsupported speculation at the very best and ignorance of the scriptures is more likely the answer for your claim. Where is the scriptures that describe Adam and Eve anything other than mature intelligent humans living in a relationship with an omniscient God.
Quote: The metaphor of them being naked and carefree, then shameful upon receiving knowledge and disobeying is pretty clear in its transition. But you strike me as someone who doesn't see the bible as a series of metaphors and parables.
There are parables they are actually referred to in the NT. There is prophecy in the OT and NT and the stories of the OT are true, real and without error.
Why do you think Adam and Eve were naked? The Bible says nothing about them being carefree, they had the garden to take care of and a relationship with God to maintain, they walked with Him every evening (hint). The didn't receive knowledge, they already had that, they became aware of what evil was when they disobeyed God and in their new found insight they understood the shame they had brought upon themselves .
You've fail all around to support any of your claims.
GC
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
June 26, 2015 at 2:37 am
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So... Eve sinned because she ate the fruit which would give her previously unknown information about what a sin actually is?
This all reminds me of the old "key locked in the safe" idea but somehow even more stupid, turned inside out and used to justify everything bad ever.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
June 26, 2015 at 2:44 am
(June 25, 2015 at 11:17 am)Godschild Wrote: (June 25, 2015 at 2:00 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The Sadducees were there and they didn't believe in angels, demons, spirits, ghosts, or resurrections. If they weren't convinced maybe the events never happened.
You think they were going to give up their good life style, for something that would have destroyed it, look at the track record of the Israelites and you will see they coveted money more than their God most of the time.
GC If you're not an Israelite why do you worship their deity? As you pointed out, even they weren't too gung-ho about their own deity.
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