Your powers of observation need improvement. 

1. Theists exist. They're everywhere.
2. Theists do define their gods. In fact they have special books that detail their exploits.
3. Atheists are those that simply don't accept these claims.

This isn't difficult.

(July 6, 2015 at 5:27 am)pool Wrote: Theism is the mother that gave birth to theists and atheists(and every other subset of theists and atheists).

Theism is stupid because it is believing in a god when theism don't even specify what a god is.That's like believing in fldsmdfrism. xD (Everyone agreed with me on this point. hehe)
Since there is no longer a mother - she no longer gave birth to theists and atheists.Just like POOF theists and atheists are no longer there.
But if atheists are stubborn enough to exist then they are rejecting a claim that is not being made,which would make them the group that is making the claim - that they reject the claim of theists(but there is no claim theists are making because they can't because even theists don't know what god is.

You're an atheist, you're just in the contrarian phase right now - nothing bad about being a contrarian, only you took it a little too far, beyond reason.
Of course theists and atheists are both terms that shouldn't even exist but the fact is there are theists in this world who can cause great harm because of their beliefs. So here enter us atheists, a group of people who know how ridiculous it is to make up a word like aunicornist and wear it like a badge yet see in all seriousness that it's needed. If we were to just drop everything and not care about theists and what they believe you would find yourself pretty soon living in the Middle Ages again and even worse. And if you don't know enough history to know what that means, as it's apparent that you don't, it means shorter life span, great probability for you to be(come) a slave, worse standart of living overall, higher risk of premature death and sickness, and so on.

Either that or you're just on a self-sacrificing mission to change atheists' minds about God.

I'll just stop here with this rant lest I break some rule I didn't understand very well, like the one about targeting your audience too much.*
*Some help here? Am I allowed to speak to him even though he ignores me? =)

Nevermind.

(July 6, 2015 at 5:31 am)jesus_wept Wrote: I understand the argument so there is no need to keep repeating it. I would just like to know if there is a point, other than you think you're a special snowflake and everyone else is stupid?

But do you accept the argument?If not,why?

(July 6, 2015 at 5:32 am)Cato Wrote: Your powers of observation need improvement. 

1. Theists exist. They're everywhere.
2. Theists do define their gods. In fact they have special books that detail their exploits.
3. Atheists are those that simply don't accept these claims.

This isn't difficult.

1. Theists do not exists.People exists.People that think they are theists exist.But theists do not exist.
    Its impossible for a theist to exist.
2. They do have books like bible and shit but they DO NOT define their god consistently.
3. Atheists are those that don't accept these claims which cannot be made in the first place.

(July 6, 2015 at 5:37 am)excitedpenguin Wrote:

(July 6, 2015 at 5:27 am)pool Wrote: Theism is the mother that gave birth to theists and atheists(and every other subset of theists and atheists).

Theism is stupid because it is believing in a god when theism don't even specify what a god is.That's like believing in fldsmdfrism. xD (Everyone agreed with me on this point. hehe)
Since there is no longer a mother - she no longer gave birth to theists and atheists.Just like POOF theists and atheists are no longer there.
But if atheists are stubborn enough to exist then they are rejecting a claim that is not being made,which would make them the group that is making the claim - that they reject the claim of theists(but there is no claim theists are making because they can't because even theists don't know what god is.

You're an atheist, you're just in the contrarian phase right now - nothing bad about being a contrarian, only you took it a little too far, beyond reason.
Of course theists and atheists are both terms that shouldn't even exist but the fact is there are theists in this world who can cause great harm because of their beliefs. So here enter us atheists, a group of people who know how ridiculous it is to make up a word like aunicornist and wear it like a badge yet see in all seriousness that it's needed. If we were to just drop everything and not care about theists and what they believe you would find yourself pretty soon living in the Middle Ages again and even worse. And if you don't know enough history to know what that means, as it's apparent that you don't, it means shorter life span, great probability for you to be(come) a slave, worse standart of living overall, higher risk of premature death and sickness, and so on.

Either that or you're just on a self-sacrificing mission to change atheists' minds about God.

I'll just stop here with this rant lest I break some rule I didn't understand very well, like the one about targeting your audience too much.*
*Some help here? Am I allowed to speak to him even though he ignores me? =)

You're awesome.
The morally apt stand for me to take would be to be an Atheist.
The logically apt stand for me to take would be to be neither.

It's like a constant battle i have with myself.If you know what i mean.

Edit:

I would be more than happy if atheists were to realize this and understand that they are atheists because of morality and not because of logic.
That their logic is faulty just like theists.
I'd also like atheists to not make fun of or be assholes to theists that are generally good people not all theists can be crazy kukkoos.I saw some person that was generally a good guy in this forum as i was reading through the forum but so many of the atheists here made fun of him and accused him of trying to convert the atheists in this forum and generally being a bunch of assholes,he was hurt and made it evident,but atheists that was making fun of him didn't stop,like they're so smart and that theism is just so plain dumb,bleh c'mon,it's plain rude bro.

(July 6, 2015 at 5:49 am)pool Wrote: 1. Theists do not exists.People exists.People that think they are theists exist.But theists do not exist.
    Its impossible for a theist to exist.
2. They do have books like bible and shit but they DO NOT define their god consistently.
3. Atheists are those that don't accept these claims which cannot be made in the first place.

Logic and reason aren't your strong suits.

(July 6, 2015 at 5:49 am)pool Wrote: You're awesome.
The morally apt stand for me to take would be to be an Atheist.
The logically apt stand for me to take would be to be neither.

It's like a constant battle i have with myself.If you know what i mean.

I know what you mean. But the so-called logical stand can be ignored in this case, as it is too inconsequential to be taken into account. We don't follow logic for logic's sake, but for our own. Where logic informs our actions for the better, logic is fine, but where it contradicts our own well-being, it's pretty much useless. Just so, the logical stand becomes the moral stand here, as elsewhere where ethics might be involved(especially concerning the self-preservation instinct).

Some people I admire for their knowledge, like Lawrence Krauss, might not agree with me on this point , A.K.A. The universe is not here to please us. Well, of course Krauss is attacking religion with this particular statement but I do begin to wonder sometimes watching him if he's not a little too "overboardy" about science.


I'm going to go ahead and recommend this video to all the "mean" atheists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTkKSJSqU-I

P.S.
Look, pool, actually you might be very right about something: we might not even need to call ourselves atheists, all we need is reason and logic. Sam Harris would agree with you, in fact, he took a lot of heat for similar opinions. I recommend you check him out(books or yt, w/e).

(July 6, 2015 at 6:01 am)Cato Wrote:

(July 6, 2015 at 5:49 am)pool Wrote: 1. Theists do not exists.People exists.People that think they are theists exist.But theists do not exist.
    Its impossible for a theist to exist.
2. They do have books like bible and shit but they DO NOT define their god consistently.
3. Atheists are those that don't accept these claims which cannot be made in the first place.

Logic and reason aren't your strong suits.

I'd like to see you point out the fault in my reasoning

Edit:
@excitedpenguin, : You're just like Aristo.Well somewhat like Aristo.
@everyoneelse, you ought to learn from this dude.

(July 6, 2015 at 6:03 am)pool Wrote: I'd like to see you point out the fault in my reasoning

The existence of theists isn't dependent on the actual existence of any deity; only that they believe one to exist. Your inability to grasp this simple fact makes you unreasonable. Proclaiming that they should or should not exist is also ridiculous, because they do exist. You may prefer that theists didn't exist, but this doesn't change the fact that they do. Again, your failure to grasp such a simple concept makes you unreasonable.

An oldie, but appropriate for this shitshow of a thread

@excitedpenguin,

I don't know Sam Harris,but i recon he's a very brave person.
The only reason i decided to come here and be all logical and stuff is only because my identity is anonymous.
If it weren't i would've never done this,i'd be too scared about how i'd look to the society i live in.
Lots of respect to Sam Harris.

HUGE RESPECT to you too for actually grasping the idea i presented,being open-minded and generally being an affirmation to me that not all atheists are alike.
I love you bro,no homo xD

Sam Harris is believed to have kicked off the New Atheist movement with his The End Of Faith back in 04'. Yet he never even once mentioned atheism in that book.

I'm glad we're hitting it off.