(July 9, 2015 at 8:25 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Boy o boy, you are suffering from bored housewife syndrome! Aren't you?
Remember, we all love you, even with your wacky ideas, but that comedy routine is stretching the friendship!
It was so bad, I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't get a warning!  Hehe

You know the diarrhea song, right?

It goes like this in case you don't:

When you're sittin in a Chevy,
And your pants are feelin heavy,
Diarrhea!

My gonorrhea song is meant to be sung to the same tune. Good stuff! I'm very proud of myself.

Cathy, quick, ask us another question about objective morality.
It's gotta be more fun than hearing "poo" jokes fisr thing in the morning here in Melbourne while i'm having breakfast!

(July 9, 2015 at 8:33 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Cathy, quick, ask us another question about objective morality.
It's gotta be more fun than hearing "poo" jokes fisr thing in the morning here in Melbourne while i'm having breakfast!

I would just like to let the mods know that since we were talking about STD's, my little song was completely relevant to the discussion.

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(July 9, 2015 at 7:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: But it would increase the rate of STDs overall. If you got an STD and you were sexually active with 6 other people on a regular basis, there is a big chance all 7 of you will eventually get infected. If you were married to just one person, only 2 people will contract STDs as opposed to 7. Monogamy decreases the spread of STDs. Let's keep the STD rates down!

Your math is off; you're not taking into account the quarantine factor. Say I'm in a group of six, and one person cheats, but the others don't: yes, the logic holds that the other five people stand a better chance of being exposed to whatever STDs get picked up. However, since the other five do not cheat, the virus stays contained within the circle of five, whereas if the other five did not consider themselves in a committed relationship, then you would have five other vectors of the disease potentially spreading it to others.

At most, the net number of people with an STD goes up, but the potential for that to spread outside of the group actually goes down by dint of the majority of those people keeping their sex contained to the group. If those people were not married, one could make no such assurances.

Conversely, in the monogamously married couple, the cheater could keep cheating, spreading the disease yet further. The relevant data isn't married people infected, because that assumes that a cheater will not cheat again, which isn't justifiable. What matters is people infected, which the marriage demonstrably does not keep safe from infection, in this scenario.

(July 9, 2015 at 7:22 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: The risk of you getting an std, if one out of ten cheats, is the same as if one out of one cheats. The other nine in the equation do not add to the risk pool if they are faithful. I see your point if 2 or more are cheating because now you would have two cheating partners as opposed to one.

The thing is that with a larger pool of spouses, cheating is more likely.

If you have a 50/50 chance of each spouse cheating, by the time you've accounted for ten spouses, you've got about a .018% chance of all ten spouses being faithful to only the group. If you're only concerning yourself with seven spouses, you still only have a .078% chance of assured fidelity.

In other words, you're ignoring the fact that more spouses increases the likelihood of cheating itself. Of course one of ten spouses cheating doesn't raise the likelihood of herpes any more that one spouse out of one cheating. But assuming that only one out of ten will cheat is naive, given what we know about people. The more people you add into a relationship, the higher the risk of cheating, in direct proportion.

(July 9, 2015 at 10:21 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(July 9, 2015 at 7:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: But it would increase the rate of STDs overall. If you got an STD and you were sexually active with 6 other people on a regular basis, there is a big chance all 7 of you will eventually get infected. If you were married to just one person, only 2 people will contract STDs as opposed to 7. Monogamy decreases the spread of STDs. Let's keep the STD rates down!

Your math is off; you're not taking into account the quarantine factor. Say I'm in a group of six, and one person cheats, but the others don't: yes, the logic holds that the other five people stand a better chance of being exposed to whatever STDs get picked up. However, since the other five do not cheat, the virus stays contained within the circle of five, whereas if the other five did not consider themselves in a committed relationship, then you would have five other vectors of the disease potentially spreading it to others.

At most, the net number of people with an STD goes up, but the potential for that to spread outside of the group actually goes down by dint of the majority of those people keeping their sex contained to the group. If those people were not married, one could make no such assurances.

Conversely, in the monogamously married couple, the cheater could keep cheating, spreading the disease yet further. The relevant data isn't married people infected, because that assumes that a cheater will not cheat again, which isn't justifiable. What matters is people infected, which the marriage demonstrably does not keep safe from infection, in this scenario.

Esq, it seems you missed the fact that, at least, one of the spouses is a cheater... quarantine would only work if the cheater was removed from the group.

(July 9, 2015 at 10:25 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(July 9, 2015 at 7:22 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: The risk of you getting an std, if one out of ten cheats, is the same as if one out of one cheats. The other nine in the equation do not add to the risk pool if they are faithful. I see your point if 2 or more are cheating because now you would have two cheating partners as opposed to one.

The thing is that with a larger pool of spouses, cheating is more likely.

If you have a 50/50 chance of each spouse cheating, by the time you've accounted for ten spouses, you've got about a .018% chance of all ten spouses being faithful to only the group. If you're only concerning yourself with seven spouses, you still only have a .078% chance of assured fidelity.

In other words, you're ignoring the fact that more spouses increases the likelihood of cheating itself.  Of course one of ten spouses cheating doesn't raise the likelihood of herpes any more that one spouse out of one cheating. But assuming that only one out of ten will cheat is naive, given what we know about people. The more people you add into a relationship, the higher the risk of cheating, in direct proportion.

Right, I was just arguing that one cheating spouse out of ten, doesn't put you at more of a risk then one out of one. Any time you have multiple partners who have multiple partners your chance is going to increase. I just don't see how anyone can make the argument that polygamy itself increases your chance for an std, because in the case of polygamous marriage and monogamous marriage, for the chances of std's to increase you have to go outside of the marriage.

(July 10, 2015 at 7:02 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: Right, I was just arguing that one cheating spouse out of ten, doesn't put you at more of a risk then one out of one. Any time you have multiple partners who have multiple partners your chance is going to increase. I just don't see how anyone can make the argument that polygamy itself increases your chance for an std, because in the case of polygamous marriage and monogamous marriage, for the chances of std's to increase you have to go outside of the marriage.

The causation is indirect. Polygamy itself doesn't increase the chances of std, but the fact that you're more likely to be exposed to a cheating spouse does.

(July 10, 2015 at 10:33 am)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(July 10, 2015 at 7:02 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: Right, I was just arguing that one cheating spouse out of ten, doesn't put you at more of a risk then one out of one. Any time you have multiple partners who have multiple partners your chance is going to increase. I just don't see how anyone can make the argument that polygamy itself increases your chance for an std, because in the case of polygamous marriage and monogamous marriage, for the chances of std's to increase you have to go outside of the marriage.

The causation is indirect. Polygamy itself doesn't increase the chances of std, but the fact that you're more likely to be exposed to a cheating spouse does.

Yep. It's a simple concept. And as a general rule, having sex with more people will always increase your chances of having sex with someone who has an STD, regardless of whether you're married or not. I just think it's important for the government to not encourage that sort of thing by giving polyamorous relationships the same legal benefits/etc as "regular" marriages.

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Marriage is a useless concept. Just a tid bit of tradition passed down generations and certainly not helping with anything today's society. It will take time, but we will eventually come up with more rational systems.

In the meanwhile, the brainwashed shall rule the land.

Meh.