HOMOSEXUALITY IS A 'SIN'

[Drich]

I don't know why everyone is freaking out on Drich.  It's actually a somewhat prevalent belief among Christians that lust is as bad as rape in Jesus' eyes.

It should be well known by now that Jesus advocates thoughtcrime.

It because they know their whole 'The bible does not condemn Homosexuality' argument has met it's end with my first post in this thread so they are collectively trying to exploit some perceived weakness in my theology based on some crap appeal to their version of pop morality...

[Drich]

Now apply mark 10 with everything Jesus had to say on the subject:
Mat 19:
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

Jesus didn't marry  >.>

He is engauged

[Redbeard The Pink]

Humans definitely do not have thought crimes in the same sense that the Bible does. For that brand of thought crime, someone has to literally read your mind, and the thought itself is the primary crime.

With both hate crime and conspiracy, some kind of provable, outward action has to occur. Neither is an actual thought crime, at least not in the sense I'm using the term. No human can punish you for your actual thoughts unless you somehow make them known, and to my knowledge there is no secular law that punishes a thought and nothing else.

So thinking gay marriage is wrong, and refusing to facilitate a gay marriage because of your thoughts is not a punishable crime in your imaginary world?

I posted a fox news link that says otherwise. That pastors are threatened with jail unless they concent to marrying gay people in certain states.

Well, in a way that does make sense. Churches don't pay taxes. This means they receive government relief. This means they are essentially a government service. Marriage is likewise, a government service. If churches want to refuse to marry gay people, they should start paying taxes and stop participating in the legal binding of marriage relationships (i.e. participate only in ceremony where the pastor has no legal power to officiate a legal union) .

[Pyrrho]

Humans definitely do not have thought crimes in the same sense that the Bible does. For that brand of thought crime, someone has to literally read your mind, and the thought itself is the primary crime.

With both hate crime and conspiracy, some kind of provable, outward action has to occur. Neither is an actual thought crime, at least not in the sense I'm using the term. No human can punish you for your actual thoughts unless you somehow make them known, and to my knowledge there is no secular law that punishes a thought and nothing else.

So thinking gay marriage is wrong, and refusing to facilitate a gay marriage because of your thoughts is not a punishable crime in your imaginary world?

I posted a fox news link that says otherwise. That pastors are threatened with jail unless they concent to marrying gay people in certain states.

Your story has been debunked, and you still present it as if it were accurate.  Try reading it this time:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-35017-po...pid1007557

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see my last post.
on what?

Being Christ despite circumstance is hard no matter what. It is so much easier to just give up and adopt some sort of bastardized morality and justify whatever you want so long as no one get hurt.

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,actually no. The US is currently jailing pastors for not marrying gay couples.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/2...dings.html

To have a pastor perform a ceremony that is against his deeply held legitmate religious views is not freedom to practice religion sport, that is a state mandated religious practice. Something our bill'o rights says we do not have to do, but popular culture says we must.

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If this were true we would not be killing unborn babies, sanctioning gay marriages, and removing God from every aspect of public life, nor would the state mandate our religious practices.
Where do you live? maybe we should trade homes.

There are two boys lost off the coast of Florida and a radio deejay who announced this news story ended, 'our prayers are with you.' I cringed because he said this on a non Christian station. The very next break he had to appologise for expressing his religious views on company air time and made a disclaimer statement that his company did not endorse his 'prayer.'

what kind of world do we live in, where we can not offer prayer to two 14 year olds lost at sea? More over if we live in a majority Christian country then why do we have to go about daily life as if we were stepping on egg shells all the time?

If you went to china, do you think they would keep their deeply held religious/cultural views out of the public eye so as to not offend some douche bag minority? Then why do we do it here unless those numbers are not repersentivite of who and what the majority of this country really is.

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Take another look at the article at your link.  It is regarding "wedding chapels," not churches.  Wedding chapels are basically businesses which marry people.  Businesses are not allowed to discriminate.  Churches are.

Also, as is often the case, Fox News is lying:

http://www.advocate.com/politics/marriag...ing-chapel

http://boisestatepublicradio.org/post/co...rights-law

Next time, try looking for a reputable news source.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Jesus didn't marry  >.>

He is engauged

Jesus couldn't find any virgins. Besides, he was always washing guys' "feet" and you know what that means.

[downbeatplumb]

So thinking gay marriage is wrong, and refusing to facilitate a gay marriage because of your thoughts is not a punishable crime in your imaginary world?

I posted a fox news link that says otherwise. That pastors are threatened with jail unless they concent to marrying gay people in certain states.

But the difference is they are pastors who would need to act on their thoughts for it to be a crime by refusing to marry gays.

You seem to see no difference between thoughts and actions which is just plain nuts.

[robvalue]

I realized lust = rape isn't as bad as I first thought, because according to the bible rape is often a minor property violation offence anyway; when it's not being actively endorsed that is.

[Bob Kelso]

*Looks into thread*

Holy fuuuuck.

Oh... wait. No. Typical Christian bullshit. Carry on.

[Drich]

So thinking gay marriage is wrong, and refusing to facilitate a gay marriage because of your thoughts is not a punishable crime in your imaginary world?

I posted a fox news link that says otherwise. That pastors are threatened with jail unless they concent to marrying gay people in certain states.

Your story has been debunked, and you still present it as if it were accurate.  Try reading it this time:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-35017-po...pid1007557

Take another look at the article at your link.  It is regarding "wedding chapels," not churches.  Wedding chapels are basically businesses which marry people.  Businesses are not allowed to discriminate.  Churches are.

Also, as is often the case, Fox News is lying:

http://www.advocate.com/politics/marriag...ing-chapel

http://boisestatepublicradio.org/post/co...rights-law

Next time, try looking for a reputable news source.

your debunk has been debunked, next time try debunking with a primary or secondary source material and not just tertiary material that confirms your own bias.

[Drich]

So thinking gay marriage is wrong, and refusing to facilitate a gay marriage because of your thoughts is not a punishable crime in your imaginary world?

I posted a fox news link that says otherwise. That pastors are threatened with jail unless they concent to marrying gay people in certain states.

Well, in a way that does make sense. Churches don't pay taxes. This means they receive government relief. This means they are essentially a government service. Marriage is likewise, a government service. If churches want to refuse to marry gay people, they should start paying taxes and stop participating in the legal binding of marriage relationships (i.e. participate only in ceremony where the pastor has no legal power to officiate a legal union) .

you don't know how churches work/are funded do you? Hint: It's not by the government. The reason Churches are not taxed is because they offer benevolence/programs to the community that the government does not have to. The only time government money is spent by the church is when the government offers food assistance to established church pantries/food give away programs, and in doing so their are a lot of federal regulations and mandates on said food, which is why most churches will not accept it.

That said I am not opposed to churches paying taxes. Render unto ceasar and all of that.