Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)

[Lucanus]

Awww shieeet, I think I'm gonna OD

[Little Rik]

The problem with you is that you run thinking.
If you would have read properly my post you would have noticed that i said........Science is open to anything that help humanity to go forward...........do you really think that to know what Dick or Tom
did or who they were help humanity to go forwards?      

Yes because those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

Gee Iki, you really surprise me.
You mean that all the wars that we had after the very first war that was fought ages ago were wars
done by a lack of knowledge about the very first war?      
Sorry if i laugh Iki but that is just what i needed now.  

[Lucanus]

I refuse to believe he's not a poe. Please please please be a poe.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Yes because those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

Gee Iki, you really surprise me.
You mean that all the wars that we had after the very first war that was fought ages ago were wars
done by a lack of knowledge about the very first war?      
Sorry if i laugh Iki but that is just what i needed now.  

You realise that you're just repeating exactly what he said, right?

"those who forget history are doomed to repeat it". If wars are re-fought (as per your example), what does that tell you? I'm going to give you as long as you need to figure that out.

In the meantime, if you're going 80mph, how many miles do you travel in an hour?

[Cyberman]

Look nutter.
I never report anyone for swearing to me.
It doesn't really worry that but talking about my mother is a different story.
I hope the moderator will do something about it.

Nope.

[Homeless Nutter]

[...]Sorry if i laugh Iki but that is just what i needed now.  

That's OK - everyone else has been laughing at you since you first posted, so it's only fair...

[NoFaith2Burn4]

In nature the small merge into the big.
A drop of water will sooner or later merge into the creek.
The creek will merge into the river and the river will merge into the big ocean.
A cell is composed of matter and consciousness.
This consciousness can be tiny as much as you want but nevertheless there is a minute tiny amount of consciousness.
When we eat we absorb these cells.
The physical side of these cells build our body but what happen to the consciousness side of the cells?
Will it die or will enter or better say merge into our bigger consciousness?
According an Atheist point of view when the body die also the consciousness die so there is nothing left there other than
the physical side that build up our body.
Does this belief make any sense?
If it does make sense than why carnivorous people are more aggressive while vegetarians are more relaxed?
It seems that what we eat determine the way we act and think and therefore make sense to say that the consciousness of the
cells in the food that we are eating merge into our consciousness.
If we follow this line of thinking then we also have to consider what happen when our body die.
Will our consciousness die when our body die or will carry on and merge into what our feelings wish to take us?
Why would our consciousness die when as we can see in nature nothing die?
The small always merge into the big so to me it is totally UNSCIENTIFIC to say that with the physical death everything die. 

 

It's clear that you have no idea what atheism is. There are no statements which define atheism, there's only the question of whether he believes in any god. If you disbelieve the power of Thor, then you too are an atheist on Thor.

Regarding the conservation of matter, which has nothing to do with atheism, your logic is completely absent. The conservation of matter when the lion consumes a stupid human is (see the above). Matter in itself is not life, nor is it consciousness. When your brain gets killed by a lion, you are no more, and nothing remains but your ass, which in turn becomes part of the lion's ass.

Also, there is no scientific evidence to your claim that non-vegans are more "aggressive" than those who are. However, there is plenty of evidence that vegans are less healthy than those who eat the normal diet of their species, due to poor nutrition.

Have a nice day, and try not to be a lion ass!

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[Redbeard The Pink]

Etymology aside, Science is an English word, and you have the wrong definition. Like I said, don't come to us trying to tell us what our words mean when you obviously have an inferior grasp of our language.

Wrong again Pinky.  
Science is a word used in the English language but it originate elsewhere
So please don't tell me that my knowledge of English is such and such.
This has really nothing to do with the issue.  

Regardless of what you think you know about English, your stated definition of science is wrong. Do not tell us what our words mean until you have learned the proper meaning of those words.

Also, if you keep smashing your head against the wall like that, your little brain will rattle around in there and wake up the neighbors.

[Lucanus]

Rik, on the off chance you're for real and not a poe, could you please reply to this post?

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Unfortunately you never made the effort to study the past where science started.
Everything goes back several thousand years with Tantra the first science.
Tantra is not much physical at all.
In fact is mostly a spiritual science.

http://www.anandamarga.org/articles/tantra-science/

Ok, I had the masochism to open that link.
First off, I have to say that it does not look like a reliable website. They are trying to sell you something: meditation courses. So we're off to a bad start, with what amounts to a promotional website for somebody's business. My skeptic senses are tingling, but I'm still curious. I think I'll dissect this thing like a frog.

Let's begin:

Tantra is the original spiritual science first taught in India more than 7000 years ago.

Define "science". Science is a method of hypothesis and testing that wasn't "invented" until Galileo came along. Does Tantra follow the scientific method? At a first glance, it doesn't look like that. If it does not follow the scientific method, then it's not science. And if it's not science, it's likely to be woo that someone's trying to sell you.

During this epoch of warfare between the Aryans and non-Aryans, a great personality was born. His name was Sadashiva which means “He who is always absorbed in consciousness and one whose only vow of existence is to promote the all-around welfare of living beings”. Sadashiva, also known as Shiva, was a great spiritual preceptor or Guru. Although Tantra was practiced before his birth, it was he who for the first time gave humanity a systematic presentation of spirituality.Not only was he a great spiritual teacher, but he was also the founder of the Indian system of music and dance, which is why he is sometimes known as Nataraj (the Lord of the Dance). Shiva was also the founder of Indian medicine, and presented a system known as Vaedyak Shastra. In the social sphere too Shiva had an important role to play. He introduced a system of marriage in which both partners accepted a mutual responsibility for the success of the marriage, irregardless of caste or community. Shiva himself was of mixed parentage, and by marrying an Aryan princess he helped to unite the warring factions of India and gave them a more universalistic social viewpoint. Because of these social innovations Shiva has been called the father of human civilization.

Citation needed, please. This could be a whole load of bull. Is there evidence that any of this actually happened? Is there evidence that this guy actually existed and it's not a myth? No citations of scholarly historical research can be found in that website, which just proves my point that they are only trying to sell you something and they don't want you to think too critically about it.

Shiva’s greatest contribution to the birth of civilization was to introduce the concept of dharma. Dharma is a Sanskrit word which signifies the “innate characteristic” of something. What is the innate characteristic and specialty of humans? Shiva explained that a human being wants more than the pleasure provided by sensory gratification. He said that the human being is different from plants and animals because what he or she is striving for is absolute peace. This is the goal of human life, and Shiva’s spiritual teachings were aimed at enabling any human being to attain this goal.

This does not look like science to me. Science is a work of cooperation, where many people test their (often conflicting) ideas in order to get to the truth. This is just a guy (whose existence can be doubted, as there are no citations to support such a claim) who's spouting a lot of stuff without rigorously demonstrating anything. Everything he says is accepted acritically and presented as wisdom. This, my friend, is not science. This is an appeal to authority, and it's the most unscientific thing one could possibly do.

When Shiva first taught he gave teaching according to the development of the student. He saw that certain people were at a level in which they were dominated by animal passions and others were at a higher stage of development. He gave different practices depending on the qualities of the disciple.

The first M is known as Madya. It has two meanings. One meaning of madya is “wine”. For those people who were dominated by physical instincts Shiva instructed them to continue drinking wine, but he showed them how to control the habit and then finally leave it. For those at a higher level of development Madya has another meaning, it refers not to wine but to a divine nectar. Each month the pineal gland secretes a fluid known as amrta . A yogi who has purified his mind and practices fasting can taste the fluid and experience the profound effect of the fluid on his whole being, which has been described as a state of bliss. Thus, there is both a crude or material interpretation of Madya and a subtle or spiritual understanding of the term.

(emphasis mine)

The pineal gland produces melatonine. It does it all the time, not "once a month" and it's a hormone that is still being studied, as not much is known about it yet. But one thing it doesn't do, is secrete a fluid that can be tasted, because it's an endocrine gland. So oopsie, that is bullshit.

Another of the five Ms is Mamsa. One meaning of Mamsa is meat. For those who ate much meat, Shiva told them to continue to take it with a spiritual idea and finally to control the urge and quit the habit. For the subtle practitioner of Tantra, mamsa refers to the tongue and the spiritual practice of controlling one’s speech.

Matsya, the third of the Ms, refers to fish. For the physically minded practitioner Shiva applied the same instruction regarding fish as he did with wine and meat. In spiritual or subtle Tantra the “fish” refers to two subtle nerves which run up the body, starting at the base of the spine and crisscrossing each other and ending in the two nostrils. These nerves are known as the ida and pingala. By the science of breath control, Pranayama, the currents of the nerves are controlled and the mind becomes calm for meditation. This is the Matsya of the spiritual practitioner.

So this guy discovered how to avoid cold turkey when you're trying to quit something. As it's not intuitive enough

But look at how they word all of this. "The science of breath control, Pranayama" is not a science. It may be a traditional technique and it may even work, but it's not scientific because it does not explain anything, or worse, the explanations proposed are just plain wrong, as was the case with the pineal gland before. Controlling the frequency at which you breathe can and indeed does calm you, but it happens because of the changes in the nervous system's chemistry that follow it.

Another of the Ms is Mudra. Mudra has only a spiritual significance and there is no physical or crude practice associated with it. Mudra means to maintain contact with those who help us to make spiritual progress and to avoid the company of those who might harm our development.

This basically means to live in an echo chamber.

The last of the Ms, Maethuna, is the one which has caused the most confusion regarding Tantra. Maethuna means union. In its crude sense it means sexual union. For those who were dominated by the sexual instinct Shiva told that the sex act must be done with a spiritual idea and that gradually this instinct must be controlled. For the more advanced practitioners, those who were practicing subtle or spiritual Tantra, Shiva taught another practice of Maethuna. In this case “union” refers to the union of individual consciousness with Supreme Consciousness. In this case the spiritual energy of the human being, lying dormant at the base of the spine, is raised until it reaches the highest energy center (near the pineal gland), causing the spiritual aspirant to experience union with the Supreme.

(emphasis mine)
First off, there is no proof of a supreme consciousness. That leaves a big hole in all of this. Second, if the "spiritual energy of the human being" resides at the base of the spine, and then reaches the pineal gland (in ways unknown, btw) it would be pretty easy to register its activity in some way, wouldn't it? And yet, instead of proof, we just get a bunch of woo woo.

This site is trying to make a fool out of you. It masks the traditional methods it is trying to sell with science-y language but doesn't actually explain how the stuff it's describing works, nor does it cite any reliable sources. These people are predators, trying to feed on the scientific ignorance of others. The stuff they sell you may work, but that doesn't mean that it is right. I'm telling you as a friend, Rik. Don't fall for this shit. Look for the truth and never take anything for granted.

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[Little Rik]

Rik, on the off chance you're for real and not a poe, could you please reply to this post?

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Ok, I had the masochism to open that link.
First off, I have to say that it does not look like a reliable website. They are trying to sell you something: meditation courses. So we're off to a bad start, with what amounts to a promotional website for somebody's business. My skeptic senses are tingling, but I'm still curious. I think I'll dissect this thing like a frog.

Let's begin:


Define "science". Science is a method of hypothesis and testing that wasn't "invented" until Galileo came along. Does Tantra follow the scientific method? At a first glance, it doesn't look like that. If it does not follow the scientific method, then it's not science. And if it's not science, it's likely to be woo that someone's trying to sell you.


Citation needed, please. This could be a whole load of bull. Is there evidence that any of this actually happened? Is there evidence that this guy actually existed and it's not a myth? No citations of scholarly historical research can be found in that website, which just proves my point that they are only trying to sell you something and they don't want you to think too critically about it.


This does not look like science to me. Science is a work of cooperation, where many people test their (often conflicting) ideas in order to get to the truth. This is just a guy (whose existence can be doubted, as there are no citations to support such a claim) who's spouting a lot of stuff without rigorously demonstrating anything. Everything he says is accepted acritically and presented as wisdom. This, my friend, is not science. This is an appeal to authority, and it's the most unscientific thing one could possibly do.

(emphasis mine)

The pineal gland produces melatonine. It does it all the time, not "once a month" and it's a hormone that is still being studied, as not much is known about it yet. But one thing it doesn't do, is secrete a fluid that can be tasted, because it's an endocrine gland. So oopsie, that is bullshit.


So this guy discovered how to avoid cold turkey when you're trying to quit something. As it's not intuitive enough

But look at how they word all of this. "The science of breath control, Pranayama" is not a science. It may be a traditional technique and it may even work, but it's not scientific because it does not explain anything, or worse, the explanations proposed are just plain wrong, as was the case with the pineal gland before. Controlling the frequency at which you breathe can and indeed does calm you, but it happens because of the changes in the nervous system's chemistry that follow it.


This basically means to live in an echo chamber.

(emphasis mine)
First off, there is no proof of a supreme consciousness. That leaves a big hole in all of this. Second, if the "spiritual energy of the human being" resides at the base of the spine, and then reaches the pineal gland (in ways unknown, btw) it would be pretty easy to register its activity in some way, wouldn't it? And yet, instead of proof, we just get a bunch of woo woo.

This site is trying to make a fool out of you. It masks the traditional methods it is trying to sell with science-y language but doesn't actually explain how the stuff it's describing works, nor does it cite any reliable sources. These people are predators, trying to feed on the scientific ignorance of others. The stuff they sell you may work, but that doesn't mean that it is right. I'm telling you as a friend, Rik. Don't fall for this shit. Look for the truth and never take anything for granted.

I agree that all this appear like rubbish to someone who relate everything to a science that deal
with the physical world.
Unfortunately for you your idea of man as an entity made only of physicality does not exist.
Man is a lot more than a physical entity therefore he also need something else that is not
physical.
To me what is important is not whether Shiva existed or not although i believe he did exist.
What i value most is whether these teaching are working or not in the sense that they give result.
And guess what Luc?
They do work.