The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Redbeard The Pink]

One measly shred of evidence that he exists in the first place would be a start. Really though, the Bible has been thoroughly proven to be full of falsehood and fiction, and once a text is proven false, it pretty well can't be proven true later on.

Who is your authority on this statment?

What is a "statment"? I think you mean statement.


My "authority"? Using context to infer the meaning you must be using for the word, my "authority" is evidence. Reality. Things we know from looking at the sky and in the ground.


The world did not flood four-thousand-some-odd years ago because science says so; there is not only a complete lack of evidence for it, but there is evidence to the contrary, and lots of it.


The Israelites were never enslaved in Egypt because science says so; a complete lack of the most basic and necessary archaeological evidence of their presence is, believe it or not, evidence of the absence of the Jews in Egypt at the time the Bible says they were enslaved.


A man cannot rise from the dead because science says so (being "declared" dead and then waking up does not count).


These are things the Bible says happened. They did not. We know this. This means the Bible cannot be the inerrant word of Gaud. Even if it were, the Gaud it depicts is a blood-thirsty nightmare creature whose appetite for vengeance for imagined sleights can only be sated by the blood of animals and humans, culminating in the tortuous human sacrifice of his own son.


Joy to the world.

[Homeless Nutter]

I am testifying to the truth that you are a sinner (you are in rebellion against God) [...]

So essentially - you're a "snitch"?. Yeah - that sounds like a life lived well...

[...]How does God give babies AIDS?

How does god do anything?

[T.J.]

Really? Then why are you wasting your time as well as everyone else's with your inane babbling? We'll happily wait for your god to defend himself - as soon as he's done giving AIDS to babies, or whatever he's doing right now.
And you - go get a life maybe(?).

I am testifying to the truth that you are a sinner (you are in rebellion against God) like everyone else and out of God's love for you he took your paid your sin debt on the cross. If you repent (change your mind about living your life on your own terms) and put your faith in Him as your lord and savior you can have a rich and fulfilling life with the creator of the universe. Or you can reject Him and pay for your sin for the rest of eternity.

The rebellion that started from a woman who didn't know right from wrong because God put a tree he didn't want them to eat right where they could eat it and told them not to? Did he not know parenting 101? Tell a child not to do something and they're more likely to do it. Then he acts surprise when they do it when they don't know any better, oh and they didn't die like he said they would, either, so God's a liar to boot. And if you subscribe to the 'Snake = Satan' theory, not only does God have horrible security, but he's an idiot too for punishing snakes on a whole for something the devil did.

Yeah, makes sense. We better repent, guys.

[Rekeisha]

How was Jesus a suicidal. Also He isn't dead

Which brings me to my favorite subject. The trinity turning the sacrifice into a circus trick. God can't die, so noone could die to atone for a sin, god created in the first place.

Make your pick. Either all three are god. Then the sacrifice is pointless and didn't happen because we're dealing with an immortal being. Or the three are seperate Then monotheism is out of the window.

God's eternalness does not stop His sacrifice. Jesus became flesh and lived among humans so He was both God and man John 1:14. His death is not what you may think of as death. He did not cease to exist since He is an eternal being, and neither will you because you are more than just a physical body. He allowed his body to die when He was finished paying for the sins of humanity. That is why He said it was finished in and gave up His spirit in John 19:30. After He was placed in a borrowed tomb He rose on the 3rd day. Since He is God He was able to take upon the sins of the world and raise Himself from the dead. "No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." (John 10:18) You lack understanding of how the trinity works and the power of God. That is what I believe is causing you to make this mistake. Unless, you are purposefully misrepresenting Him so that you can make a case that is easily argued. Either way God has always been God and isn't dead or suicidal nor is he play tricks. He sincerely wants to have a relationship with people and made great sacrifices to enable you to know Him. That is why He told His follower to go into the world and tell others about Him.

[Mudhammam]

Oh, well, by all means please explain how your delusional fantasies "work," Rekeisha.

[Rekeisha]

Who is your authority on this statment?

What is a "statment"? I think you mean statement.


My "authority"? Using context to infer the meaning you must be using for the word, my "authority" is evidence. Reality. Things we know from looking at the sky and in the ground.


The world did not flood four-thousand-some-odd years ago because science says so; there is not only a complete lack of evidence for it, but there is evidence to the contrary, and lots of it.


The Israelites were never enslaved in Egypt because science says so; a complete lack of the most basic and necessary archaeological evidence of their presence is, believe it or not, evidence of the absence of the Jews in Egypt at the time the Bible says they were enslaved.


A man cannot rise from the dead because science says so (being "declared" dead and then waking up does not count).


These are things the Bible says happened. They did not. We know this. This means the Bible cannot be the inerrant word of Gaud. Even if it were, the Gaud it depicts is a blood-thirsty nightmare creature whose appetite for vengeance for imagined sleights can only be sated by the blood of animals and humans, culminating in the tortuous human sacrifice of his own son.


Joy to the world.

Since you didn't state a person are you saying that you use your own reasoning as your authority? Or is it Chris who upkeeps the evil bible web-page?

Some of your argument were addressed by me in earlier post. You either didn't read them or out right rejected them because you deemed my were full of Christian propaganda.

Science is nice and very helpful but God is beyond nature and can alter his creation in mundane and miraculous ways. You have closed your mind to anything that isn't scientifically explained. So you make many errors when it comes to what is reality.

I know you will correct me if I am wrong but you believe that we are just the happenstance of the universe. We have just evolved by chance to be humans. Then you make a statement about how evil God is. Be honest in your world view there is not evil. There is just atoms bumping into atoms. You have no worth and I have no worth. If you give yourself worth it is just arbitrary. In my world view I can say what is evil and what isn't because people have intrinsic value given to me by God our creator. He has spoken and is still speaking and has the ability to alter His creation. He is calling people to Himself because he loves them. He seek to make people whole and heal them and He is not the evil one.

[Rekeisha]

I am testifying to the truth that you are a sinner (you are in rebellion against God) [...]

So essentially - you're a "snitch"?. Yeah - that sounds like a life lived well...

[...]How does God give babies AIDS?

How does god do anything?

I don't understand what you mean by being a snitch.
He does things with his divine power.

[Rekeisha]

I am testifying to the truth that you are a sinner (you are in rebellion against God) like everyone else and out of God's love for you he took your paid your sin debt on the cross. If you repent (change your mind about living your life on your own terms) and put your faith in Him as your lord and savior you can have a rich and fulfilling life with the creator of the universe. Or you can reject Him and pay for your sin for the rest of eternity.

The rebellion that started from a woman who didn't know right from wrong because God put a tree he didn't want them to eat right where they could eat it and told them not to? Did he not know parenting 101? Tell a child not to do something and they're more likely to do it. Then he acts surprise when they do it when they don't know any better, oh and they didn't die like he said they would, either, so God's a liar to boot. And if you subscribe to the 'Snake = Satan' theory, not only does God have horrible security, but he's an idiot too for punishing snakes on a whole for something the devil did.

Yeah, makes sense. We better repent, guys.

She did know right from wrong, her husband Adam, imparted God's command about the trees which she restated to the snake in the garden. She knew what she should have done and what she should not have done. Also God was not surprised nor was He a liar. Adam and Eve died spiritually and then died physically. Also they could have easily call for God to come ( it is not like he didn't know what was going on)  instead they choose to entertain the devil. You have misrepresented the story in Genesis I am not sure if this was on purpose or not, but that is why you are making the errors that you have.

Also God is not judging you for the sins Adam and Eve committed but the wrong you have committed against Him. He is trying to redeem you because He believes you are worth the sacrifice. He values your life and existence and wants you live in truth. That is why He is calling you to repent.

[Redbeard The Pink]

Since you didn't state a person are you saying that you use your own reasoning as your authority? Or is it Chris who upkeeps the evil bible web-page?

Some of your argument were addressed by me in earlier post. You either didn't read them or out right rejected them because you deemed my were full of Christian propaganda.

Science is nice and very helpful but God is beyond nature and can alter his creation in mundane and miraculous ways. You have closed your mind to anything that isn't scientifically explained. So you make many errors when it comes to what is reality.

I know you will correct me if I am wrong but you believe that we are just the happenstance of the universe. We have just evolved by chance to be humans. Then you make a statement about how evil God is. Be honest in your world view there is not evil. There is just atoms bumping into atoms. You have no worth and I have no worth. If you give yourself worth it is just arbitrary. In my world view I can say what is evil and what isn't because people have intrinsic value given to me by God our creator. He has spoken and is still speaking and has the ability to alter His creation. He is calling people to Himself because he loves them. He seek to make people whole and heal them and He is not the evil one.

Let's be clear, here. The "authority" I'm referencing is material reality as we (humans) know it. The "authority" you're referencing is not a person or a deity, but a piece of contrived Bronze/Iron Age mythology that you've been indoctrinated into believing is the truth. My authority is the concentrated human knowledge of the modern age, whereas yours is an outdated fiction produced by humans of a primitive, scientifically ignorant age.


Miraculous powers is not the reason Gaud breaks science in the Wholly Babble. The reason Gaud breaks science in the Babble is that he obviously doesn't know it, hence whoever wrote it was not omniscient, hence the source was probably human and not an omniscient being. It's not just the magical stuff he does; the actual model for the Universe and the Solar System are nothing like what's described in the Bible, and that's just the beginning.


Now, strictly speaking, I'm not saying Gaud is evil. Gaud does not exist. What I'm saying is that if the narrative in the Babble were actually true (which it is NOT; this is hypothetical), then the Gaud it depicts would be completely evil with cruel, arbitrary morality that ignores its own standards and debases life in the most fundamental and atrocious of ways. In other words, your imaginary friend is a sick fuck.


Honestly, the happenstance of our existence is exactly what makes it worth so much. You realize you could have been any other being, right? The odds against your existence and my existence, are astronomical. When you consider the sheer number of potential gametes that could have united, the sheer number of parents we could have been born to, the sheer number of everything else involved in the series of causes and effects that brought us into being, out of all of those odds...we emerged. We are alive. We have the capacity to experience the world around us for a time, and we were born in an age where knowledge and comfort are much easier to come by than in years past. The world might not be a paradise, but when you consider the monumentally astronomical odds under which we came to live and survive in the world we live in right now, it's honestly kind of awe-inspiring. This one existence we have is a precious gift, given to us by no one, that no one but us can decide how to use. The fact that our time is limited and the only time we have makes it worth more, not less, because it means we should be striving to make the most out of THIS existence instead of striving for some perfect afterlife. My life and the lives of other humans are worth far more to me than they are to your supposed Gaud, who kills man, beast, and plant on a whim and sends most of his creation to Hell in the end.

[Athene]

The rebellion that started from a woman who didn't know right from wrong because God put a tree he didn't want them to eat right where they could eat it and told them not to? Did he not know parenting 101? Tell a child not to do something and they're more likely to do it. Then he acts surprise when they do it when they don't know any better, oh and they didn't die like he said they would, either, so God's a liar to boot. And if you subscribe to the 'Snake = Satan' theory, not only does God have horrible security, but he's an idiot too for punishing snakes on a whole for something the devil did.

Yeah, makes sense. We better repent, guys.

She did know right from wrong, her husband Adam, imparted God's command about the trees which she restated to the snake in the garden. She knew what she should have done and what she should not have done. Also God was not surprised nor was He a liar. Adam and Eve died spiritually and then died physically. Also they could have easily call for God to come ( it is not like he didn't know what was going on)  instead they choose to entertain the devil. You have misrepresented the story in Genesis I am not sure if this was on purpose or not, but that is why you are making the errors that you have.

Also God is not judging you for the sins Adam and Eve committed but the wrong you have committed against Him. He is trying to redeem you because He believes you are worth the sacrifice. He values your life and existence and wants you live in truth. That is why He is calling you to repent.

Do you ever pause and think "Wow. All of this sounds crazy when I say it out loud. I'm an adult and believe in magical stories of invisible men, talking animals, and superpowers?" I'm not saying that you are, but are you aware that you sound like a lunatic? You talk about this stuff as if it's perfectly normal and healthy to believe that acts of supernatural magical just occur constantly.