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Core Message Of Christianity Isn't One Of Love
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 (August 27, 2015 at 2:00 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(August 27, 2015 at 1:53 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: What of Paul's teachings about love in 1 Corinthians 13? 1 Cor 14:34 I do not see why any Christian would want to follow Pauline Doctrine, thank Nero he's dead.  How can anyone misinterpret a book that can be made to say whatever one wants it to say. If that weren't true there wouldn't be fifty eleven denomination and each one thinking the other is wrong.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers. Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. --Voltaire Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.  (August 27, 2015 at 10:46 am)Jenny A Wrote:I like it when you all move to dismiss without addressing any points. Because it means you rather pretend to know better than to demonstrate it by pointing out logical errors.(August 27, 2015 at 9:56 am)Drich Wrote: Just because something is new and/or original does mean it's impossible. At it's core my obversation simply states that their isn't a time line given between the end of creation and fall of man. This could have been a second or it could have been the 100 ballizion or so years 'science' says it took for evolution to happen. We also know that the Garden while expansive was not considered to be a planet wide occourance. Their were 4 rivers that defined the garden. The bible also makes no mention of what happened outside the garden pre fall. However post fall we come to find out that their are cities. (Cain feld to one/Nod) For community to be classified as a city a given number of people have to live there. We also know Adam and Eve did not populate a whole city between the birth of abel and his murder by his brother. Which means homo sapeian (monkey man) was active pre fall. (rome nor any other city wasn't built in a day) this observation also accounts for the spouces Adam's other children took. The closest thing to this I ever heard was gap theory. and in gap theory it is assumed that between one of the days of creation all the scientific 'stuff' was planted in. What I was given is not 'gap theory.' I am saying that between the end of a literal 7 day creation (which again is creation from a central point and time located from a garden perspective/because everything mention is from a singular vantage point in a linear progression of time Eg: 7 days of creation, was all from a single central garden POV) and the fall of man essentially the time span between basically genesis 2 and 3 the rest of the world was allowed to 'mutate/evolve' to catch up with what was created in the garden. then the fall happened, and A&E were expelled.  (August 27, 2015 at 2:57 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: How can anyone misinterpret a book that can be made to say whatever one wants it to say. If that weren't true there wouldn't be fifty eleven denomination and each one thinking the other is wrong. That is exactly right, Rhonda. That is precisely why the bible should not be held as the main pillar of Truth, but rather, the Church should. And that is why we are not sola scriptura. (Drich will disagree with me on this lol, but that is why I'm Catholic and he's protestant. I can only speak for my own faith.)
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh  Quote:Drich will disagree with me on this lol, Me, too. You might get the Nobel Peace prize. (August 27, 2015 at 1:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well the interpretation of the turn the other cheek stance isn't literally to allow someone to keep hitting you lol. It's more about not returning insult with insult, and instead, to respond to the person with love and humility. What is the point of reading a book if I'm going to make it say whatever I want it to say anyway?
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers. Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. --Voltaire Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind. (August 27, 2015 at 3:07 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:(August 27, 2015 at 1:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well the interpretation of the turn the other cheek stance isn't literally to allow someone to keep hitting you lol. It's more about not returning insult with insult, and instead, to respond to the person with love and humility. I agree. The point of being Catholic is that you don't make your own individual interpretations on the bible (at least not on the things that really matter).
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh  (August 27, 2015 at 2:00 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(August 27, 2015 at 1:53 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: What of Paul's teachings about love in 1 Corinthians 13? They're not mutually exclusive, but they are very different, and the Pauline conception of love doesn't seem to be in accord with the idea of a loving god. For what it's worth, I think of 1Cor13 as a deeply moving understanding of love, and even so, still incomplete, insofar as I have personally experienced the emotion. (August 27, 2015 at 3:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I agree. The point of being Catholic is that you don't make your own individual interpretations on the bible (at least not on the things that really matter). Why is taking someone else's word on such an important matter a good thing? (August 27, 2015 at 3:11 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:(August 27, 2015 at 2:00 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yep! That's a great one too. The difference between the 2 is that Corinthians defines love in general, while Jesus's speech was specifically teaching us to love our enemy. I like them both very much, but I must say Jesus's speech is my favorite part of the bible. 
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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