BREAKING: OREGON COLLEGE SHOOTING

[Edwardo Piet]

Loads of guns and no ammo or loads of ammo and no guns? Which is deadlier? Is it easier to get hold of the guns or the ammo?

[Thumpalumpacus]

they don't seem able to realise that if carrying guns was illegal you wouldn't fucking need the "good guy with the gun".

You might be surprised to learn that people who have no compunction about breaking a law by killing people aren't dissuaded by a law forbidding gun ownership.

It's kind of the definition of "criminal", you know.

Yes it should be banned, this "right to bear arms" is fucking stupid and should have been re-amended decades ago.

No, it's an apt right that should have better limits.

According to this article, the shooter had spoken with people online the night before about his intentions... nobody thought "shit, this guy might not be fucking around? Better tip-off the school and the cops." Really?

There's a big issue, right there -- silence.

[KUSA]

They don't seem able to realise that if carrying guns was illegal you wouldn't fucking need the "good guy with the gun".

It is illegal to carry a gun to a college and shoot people.

Maybe we should post the law on billboards so this won't happen again.

[Thumpalumpacus]

"Only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun"

I love how people have this totally ironic self-defense attitude about it... they don't seem able to realise that if carrying guns was illegal you wouldn't fucking need the "good guy with the gun". Yes it should be banned, this "right to bear arms" is fucking stupid and should have been re-amended decades ago.

They have this gun-porn fantasy of stepping in and being the hero by shooting an assailant, when they're far more likely to shoot an innocent person, or miss and end up getting shot themselves.

Numbers? Do you have data?

[Edwardo Piet]

Yeah... that kind of needs backing up.

[Faith No More]

The problem is that some (a lot?) of people think certain ideas are sacrosanct and should never be questioned.  Which is bullshit of the highest order.  If we're as just, smart, fair, and great as we tell ourselves culturally, then nothing should be off the table.  We should be able to examine and reexamine our beliefs and social norms/values without fear, regardless of what it is.

We've become a nation of cowards, afraid that we might actually have to change ourselves because we might not be the people we think we are.  It's fucking pathetic.

We are a nation of dogmatists. We value being certain more than we value being correct.

[Edwardo Piet]

AKA a "Christian Nation"?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Where are you? That's interesting.

New Zealand. A population of four and a half million, with just over one million privately owned firearms.

Boru

I'd be willing to bet that the social pressures have a lot to do with the difference. Be happy you don't have a Chicago, a New York, a Houston, a Los Angeles there.

[Regina]

they don't seem able to realise that if carrying guns was illegal you wouldn't fucking need the "good guy with the gun".

You might be surprised to learn that people who have no compunction about breaking a law by killing people aren't dissuaded by a law forbidding gun ownership.

It's kind of the definition of "criminal", you know.

Yes it should be banned, this "right to bear arms" is fucking stupid and should have been re-amended decades ago.

No, it's an apt right that should have better limits.

Your first point is legitimate.

Second point, a right? Really? It's illegal to carry a gun in public here and I'm perfectly happy with that, never seen it as an infringement of my rights and I think most British people probably feel that way. Guess I'm not waking up paranoid someone is going to shoot me today. I can be comfortable in that assumption, yknow, given it's so hard to get guns here.

We don't have repeated incidents of crazy kids going into schools on a rampage, while America does. We have far lower gun crime rates than America does. We have tightly controlled gun laws, America doesn't. Not a coincidence.

[KUSA]

Has any psychology expert ever figured out why some people want to murder kids in school?

Doing something like this is unimaginable to me. I like my guns but no matter what I had going on in my life this is something that I would never do. It just doesn't make sense to me.

So, what is going on in the heads of these screwed up people?