Exposing the Intellectual Bankruptcy of Atheists Criticizing Religion

[Edwardo Piet]

New atheists are generally post 'The End of Faith" and "The God Delusion" outspoken atheists that became inspired.

I became a very outspoken 'militant' atheist on these forums years ago, I just debated theists all the time.

I can't be bothered with that so much anymore, I'm here for fun now - it just became far too tedious and hopeless.

[Homeless Nutter]

"A New Atheist is just any old atheist that the Catholic Church can't legally set on fire anymore" - PZ Myers

[abaris]

As with so many things, there may be a distinct line between America and Europe. Obviously there's more of a need for organised atheism in the US than there is in most parts of Europe. I understand my atheism as individualism and certainly don't feel the need to be vocal about it or to join some group. But then again, religion doesn't play any public role hereabouts.

Looking at it from the outside, I have the same problem with groups like the atheist church, I have with any religious organisation. Which is the attempt to enforce their worlview on others.

[Esquilax]

you can't just define god into existence, so apologetics is just skipping step one

Jinx! You typed that while I was typing my previous post.

That is historically how I work, yes.

[Edwardo Piet]

Esq you are a legend

Just saying.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Chad -

You know, I feel bad for getting so sharp with you, just then. Look, I know you try to be a decent guy, even when arguing with us. However, you crossed a line you may not realize is there, and it irked me to the point I felt the need to retaliate in kind. That's not a valid reason to do so, but lately I have been feeling pretty irritated by a host of smug Christians who spend their time calling us arrogant, etc.

Try to look at it like this: atheists don't have churches. We have few social groups or other similar organizations because the only thing we really have in common is that we don't think gods are real. This place is as close as we come to having a sanctuary and social group similar to your church organizations. Just as your church welcomes outsiders to come in and listen, and even to ask hard questions or participate in the social events, there's a limit to what people will accept in terms of badgering the people in that church with aggressive and/or disrespectful tones when they come as a guest/outsider to that place.

More than churches do, I think, we welcome outsiders and different points of view, but there's STILL A FUCKING LIMIT on the abuse we're willing to take from people who come here to attack us because they don't like how we view their personal The Only Right Truth From God™.

I refer, of course, to the Jains. Endless harassment from those guys! But all you other theists are pretty bad about it, too.

[Crossless2.0]

I refer, of course, to the Jains. Endless harassment from those guys! But all you other theists are pretty bad about it, too.

I agree. The Jains are the worst, always minding their own business, observing non-violence as a way of life, maintaining open-minded attitudes toward others and their views, and putting into practice precisely the non-covetousness to which the Abrahamic faiths only pay lip service.

[LastPoet]

Is intelligence something that can be bankrupt these days? Read more than 1 book. Simple.

The OP mistaken us as someone that would give a fuck.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

I refer, of course, to the Jains. Endless harassment from those guys! But all you other theists are pretty bad about it, too.

I agree. The Jains are the worst, always minding their own business, observing non-violence as a way of life, maintaining open-minded attitudes toward others and their views, and putting into practice precisely the non-covetousness to which the Abrahamic faiths only pay lip service.

THANK YOU for getting the joke! I was worried that one would flop or fly over everyone.

[Crossless2.0]

I agree. The Jains are the worst, always minding their own business, observing non-violence as a way of life, maintaining open-minded attitudes toward others and their views, and putting into practice precisely the non-covetousness to which the Abrahamic faiths only pay lip service.

THANK YOU for getting the joke! I was worried that one would flop or fly over everyone.

Namaste.