French Terror Attacks, scores dead

[robvalue]

Comments and some interesting statistics from Tfoot.

I agree with his main point that subcultures containing fundamentally different values cannot properly live peacefully together.

http://youtu.be/GiQuCdv3A98

[Minimalist]

And so it begins...

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/poland-w...s-attacks/

Only someone not knowing Polish policy, can be surprised by that. Especially the newly elected PIS is the next thing Europe has to catholic fundies with xenophobic elements. Polish policy has always been one of whining and cherry picking when it comes to the EU. They're not the only ones, but by far the most vocal ones.

" Poland sided with Germany and France to vote for the proposal but now Szymanski's comments have signalled a policy U-turn in Warsaw."


There's a saying over here.  "Support was a mile wide and an inch deep."

Besides, they are now reporting that at least one of the dead attackers landed by boat in the Greek Islands and came up the Balkans.  It is no longer a vague threat.  It has now happened and it is illogical to think that there will not be a reaction.

[abaris]

" Poland sided with Germany and France to vote for the proposal but now Szymanski's comments have signalled a policy U-turn in Warsaw."

If you lived here in Europe, you tend to expect hypocrisy and weasling from Polish policy. They're always whiny and cherry picking. Crawling into more powerful assholes whenever the opportunity presents itself.

And note, I'm making a distinction between their policy and their people. Even though they voted the worst of the worst into office recently. But that can happen to everyone, these days.

[Homeless Nutter]

Poland is still thanking god for the fact that 70 years ago all the polish Jews magically disappeared - they were never going to be OK with some other brown-ish people coming over and not worshipping Jesus. The attacks on Paris are a perfect excuse, so convenient in fact, that any self-respecting conspiracy nut should be blaming the Poles for staging them...

[WinterHold]

When will Barrack Obama give back his Nobel Peace Prize? Someone needs to take away his Nobel Peace Prize. He has made the world a more dangerous place.

But, by the way, AtlasS33, the gunmen knew Paris too well to be refugees I think - otherwise I agree with the video. At least 10% of Syrians are Christian and you have loads of Druze as well, and Shia and non-religious, who all want to escape DAESH. And altogether that's maybe 30% of Syrians. There's easy ways we can find out who is Christian and who radical Sunni:
1. We could see if they are willing to commit Shirk at the border - because believing Jesus is a deity is Shirk. We might also ask them if they are religious or not.
2. And then we find out their opinion of Ali and Aisha (to see if they are Sunni or Shia)
3. And then they can beat the DAESH flag and books written by Abdul Wahaab with a shoe for a couple of minutes too, but they have to do it with enthusiasm, just to make sure they're not lying.

If they fail the test then we don't let them in.

Christopher Greene always took an "anti immigration" stance, he's hotheaded, and that leads him to believe weird stuff and believe rumors sometimes. But two minutes with him, worth 24 hours of mainstream media to me. 

The coordination of the attacks too is not something that Jihadists would do. Jihadists -in their own homeland- are very bad when it comes to tactics, it's enough that the saggy Arab armies -ones like Kuwait's or Egypt- are enough to combat them and actually win twice. They are more like gangs; they can't even level up to an "army". How did they do such an attack ?

Then, you have the guns in the concert. I for one fact, know that an AK is too big to hide; even smaller versions like the AKS-74U can't be hidden; these are military grade rifles. How did they pass security ?

You can rule out the possibility of them "shooting from a far range" since the French government -and eye witneses- said they were inside the concert.

You can bet of course that the next ISIS attack would be with submachine guns since they are smaller and can be hidden inside coats or pants. Of course

Another thing : security was supposed to be tight already since the president was watching a match nearby. The concert had "The Eagles" inside and that's an "international event". Where the hell is security ?

Dogs alone can smell gunpowder and bombs from a very far distance, where were the K9s ? or did France decided out of a sudden not to use them?

I'm not saying that the blood is on Holland's hands. 
But in Charlie Hebdo, people too reported that the security was fishy and weird. 

You can trust me though on that Shia are not so nice. They are as terrible as Sunna, and actually have their own cutthroat militias across Iraq and Syria,  though since they are a minority they just practice taqyia more often. ISIS is Sunni "Only" because Sunna are the majority. If it was vise versa, ISIS would've became Shia.

[Aroura]

Here is what I know:
I don't know what to think.  I have a lot of confilicting thoughts and feelings.  I think that the whole Islamaphobe vs Bleeding Heart Liberal is a total false dichotomy.  I think people can be both, or neither, or a little bit of each and some of something else.

I feel that Islamic extremists are a big threat to international peace, but I also think my own countries fucked up exceptionalism is a big threat to international peace.  I feel, if I'm deep down honest with myself, pangs of fear knowing that the Islamic population is growing in most western countries.  But I also feel deep sympathy for the common people trying to escape  war, oppression, etc.

So, I'm a completely conflicted being and I don't have any answers.  On this topic, I feel like bundle of illogical nerves and raw emotions.  So I find it is best I just admit that, and keep watching and doing my best to form a rational view eventually.

The one thing I do actually know is that I am deeply saddened, and feel terrible about what happened, and what is still happening, form any angle I view it. I fel bad for the whole fucking human race.  We are such monsters to each other, sometimes.

[ignoramus]

hush dear child ....It's what God wants.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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When will Barrack Obama give back his Nobel Peace Prize? Someone needs to take away his Nobel Peace Prize. He has made the world a more dangerous place.

But, by the way, AtlasS33, the gunmen knew Paris too well to be refugees I think - otherwise I agree with the video. At least 10% of Syrians are Christian and you have loads of Druze as well, and Shia and non-religious, who all want to escape DAESH. And altogether that's maybe 30% of Syrians. There's easy ways we can find out who is Christian and who radical Sunni:
1. We could see if they are willing to commit Shirk at the border - because believing Jesus is a deity is Shirk. We might also ask them if they are religious or not.
2. And then we find out their opinion of Ali and Aisha (to see if they are Sunni or Shia)
3. And then they can beat the DAESH flag and books written by Abdul Wahaab with a shoe for a couple of minutes too, but they have to do it with enthusiasm, just to make sure they're not lying.

If they fail the test then we don't let them in.

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Christopher Greene always took an "anti immigration" stance, he's hotheaded, and that leads him to believe weird stuff and believe rumors sometimes. But two minutes with him, worth 24 hours of mainstream media to me. 

The coordination of the attacks too is not something that Jihadists would do. Jihadists -in their own homeland- are very bad when it comes to tactics, it's enough that the saggy Arab armies -ones like Kuwait's or Egypt- are enough to combat them and actually win twice. They are more like gangs; they can't even level up to an "army". How did they do such an attack ?

Then, you have the guns in the concert. I for one fact, know that an AK is too big to hide; even smaller versions like the AKS-74U can't be hidden; these are military grade rifles. How did they pass security ?

You can rule out the possibility of them "shooting from a far range" since the French government -and eye witneses- said they were inside the concert.

You can bet of course that the next ISIS attack would be with submachine guns since they are smaller and can be hidden inside coats or pants. Of course

Another thing : security was supposed to be tight already since the president was watching a match nearby. The concert had "The Eagles" inside and that's an "international event". Where the hell is security ?

Dogs alone can smell gunpowder and bombs from a very far distance, where were the K9s ? or did France decided out of a sudden not to use them?

I'm not saying that the blood is on Holland's hands. 
But in Charlie Hebdo, people too reported that the security was fishy and weird. 

You can trust me though on that Shia are not so nice. They are as terrible as Sunna, and actually have their own cutthroat militias across Iraq and Syria,  though since they are a minority they just practice taqyia more often. ISIS is Sunni "Only" because Sunna are the majority. If it was vise versa, ISIS would've became Shia.

It's a complex issue.  One thing it did was to force the French to get off the pot and to participate in the Syrian war.  That helps the US and its gang of terrorists and hurts Assad and Russia and ISIS.  

The Russians want to eliminate all of the other terrorist groups first.  That sounds good but the US and its allies are using those groups to overthrow Assad.  So far that plan hasn't worked very well.

The Russian and Assad plan is to kill off those groups and then force the people to decide between Assad and ISIS.  ISIS is a lot worse and will drag the country back into the fourth century BC.  

The US actually wants Assad gone more than ISIS.  For some strange reason it thinks that it can reach a political settlement with the fanatics.  

Anyway, we are in a war that will last decades so more attacks will happen on a routine basis.  Germany, Italy, England, Spain, and of course Turkey should keep their eyes peeled.  Once we flood the country with fanatics the crap will hit the fan here as well.  
Things will get a lot worse fairly soon if everyone keeps playing the same games.

[Edwardo Piet]

And note, I'm making a distinction between their policy and their people. Even though they voted the worst of the worst into office recently. But that can happen to everyone, these days.

Certainly can and the majority vote doesn't represent the people. Besides the majority of people in every country in the world are often arseholes:

I've never voted for David "Pig-faced Pig-man who likes to fuck a pig who is dead" Cunt-ram of the Cuntservetive party and I've never voted Cunrservative in my life. And here the cunt is, Prime Minister.

The policy absolutely is separate from the people and the majority vote is separate from the people and even some of the people who voted for a fucking ridiculous PM or Party can still be good people and they're just ignorant, mislead, brainwashed, etc. 

I feel no resentment for the same reason that I'm anti-retribution, as Sam Harris says (also in my sig):

The urge for retribution depends upon our not seeing the underlying causes of human behavior.

[ReptilianPeon]

AtlasS33, Shia can be bad, especially now that they hold the power in Iraq, but the main difference I see is: when was the last time a Shia 'terrorist' attacked a Western country? Not recently. Even Hamas (supported by Iran) came out to condemn the Paris attacks, and the Times of Israel even reported on it.