Eyewitness Testimony of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus

[Skipper]

Is coming back from the dead biologically possible? and didn't Jesus fly (ascend whatever) up to heaven? Why can your super heroes be exempt from psychical laws and not mine? Islam has books and authors and it's old and stuff too...Islam has many millions of followers who could quote their book and make bits of it bold too...is that proof for Islam being correct?

Compare your the flying horse that only you follow to Jesus resurrected and ascended and 1 in 3 people on the planet testify to based on the eyewitnesses in various group settings. Yours seems self oriented since it is all about you and your hallucination that only you have.

Easy.

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My mate saw the horse too.

So my religion of the flying two headed horse has just doubled!! That means it's growing at a quicker rate than Christianity...woohoo! At what number of people believing in my two headed horse does it become fact?

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

I am not aware of anywhere Jesus is a literary figure; even so, historians concern themselves with just the primary sources, so that would be the sources within 150 years of His death.

Remember, Jesus has more sources for him than any ten figures in antiquity combined so you can't use the excuse there is not enough data.

Historians also concern themselves with fun things like records outside of the biblical circle, tombs, geology, and so on.
They usually don't rely on one source for evidence and assume something is true for the same reason historians of the future won't rely on batman novels to assume he was truely alive between now and when he was created early in the 20th century in detective comics. It's just not reliable. Volume of written material isn't indicitive of truth nor is it evidence of anything in particular.
Consider Atlantis. Historians don't think this mythical city ever existed and likely simply Aristotle's flight of fancy in his written records because there's no physical evidence to support that the described place ever existed anywhere in the world.

[noselfwilling]

My mate saw the horse too. So my religion of the flying two headed horse has just doubled!! That means it's growing at a quicker rate than Christianity...woohoo! At what number of people believing in my two headed horse does it become fact?

Did you see the flying horse together at the same time? Is Skipper your real name? What's your friends name? You need 12 different group settings and you need to prove why your horse is better than a human being to relate to us and to pay the the ransom for mankind. But your horse didn't die for the sins of the world. You need amazing prophecies fulfilled like Israel a nation again (Ezekiel) or Daniel's prophecy for when Jesus would die on the cross.

I haven't seen anyone willing to die yet for your flying horse either. You got a lot of convincing to do to match the founders of the Church. Has your horse spoken English yet and said he is God?

Anyway you can see why 2.3 billion who agree with Jesus and the disciples trumps you and your mystery mate.

The disciples spent 3 years with Jesus and saw him resurrected over 40 days. Beat that.

[Skipper]

My mate saw the horse too. So my religion of the flying two headed horse has just doubled!! That means it's growing at a quicker rate than Christianity...woohoo! At what number of people believing in my two headed horse does it become fact?

The disciples spent 3 years with Jesus and saw him resurrected over 40 days. Beat that.

I rode my horse over a fence and then to the shops and back. The disciples never rode Jesus anywhere.

[noselfwilling]

They usually don't rely on one source for evidence and assume something is true for the same reason historians of the future won't rely on batman novels to assume he was truely alive between now and when he was created early in the 20th century in detective comics. It's just not reliable. Volume of written material isn't indicitive of truth nor is it evidence of anything in particular. Consider Atlantis. Historians don't think this mythical city ever existed and likely simply Aristotle's flight of fancy in his written records because there's no physical evidence to support that the described place ever existed anywhere in the world.

The Bible is not one source, but 66 books over 1500 years by 40 authors in different places and languages. Moreover, we have 17 non-Christian sources within 150 years of Jesus' death, 12 which speak of His death, 7 of His resurrection and 7 of His deity. And there are over 25,000 archaelogical finds for the Bible. You admit batman was a comic, so why waste your time and bring him into the discussion to be a candidate for the uncreated Creator? Lack of volume of material for Jesus is not a valid excuse to reject the historical Jesus since He has more sources than any ten figures in antiquity combined. So not sure what the problem is? Are you just trying to avoid the opening post still not dealing with it?

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I rode my horse over a fence and then to the shops and back. The disciples never rode Jesus anywhere.

A more likely naturalistic explanation is that you are lying because of your hostility towards God or hallucinated, since there are no flying horses in the historical record. You are still alone and don't have a group eyewitness testimony for your claim, plus riding horses doesn't seem to compare to atonement, resurrection, ascension.

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

The Bible is not one source, but 66 books over 1500 years by 40 authors in different places and languages. Moreover, we have 17 non-Christian sources within 150 years of Jesus' death, 12 which speak of His death, 7 of His resurrection and 7 of His deity.

The Simpsons isn't one source either, but rather several hundred episodes running over 20 years now by dozens of different authors and contributors, many of which have different faiths and outlooks. It doesnt mean the simpsons are real either.

And there are over 25,000 archaelogical finds for the Bible.

And I'm sure they're often interpreted that way.

You admit batman was a comic, so why waste your time and bring him into the discussion to be a candidate for the uncreated Creator? Lack of volume of material for Jesus is not a valid excuse to reject the historical Jesus since He has more sources than any ten figures in antiquity combined. So not sure what the problem is? Are you just trying to avoid the opening post still not dealing with it?

I brought Batman up as an example of why your claims about the size of the bible's following over the years is irrelevant. That being because having a bunch of authors over a long period of time doesn't validate the claims within the books, it doesn't make the characters in the books real, nor does it produce witnesses that can be found, living or dead.

[noselfwilling]

The Simpsons isn't one source either, but rather several hundred episodes running over 20 years now by dozens of different authors and contributors, many of which have different faiths and outlooks. It doesnt mean the simpsons are real either.

Right, but neither can you say it is not a cartoon show because there is not enough data. Do you see your argument is faulty?

I brought Batman up as an example of why your claims about the size of the bible's following over the years is irrelevant. That being because having a bunch of authors over a long period of time doesn't validate the claims within the books, it doesn't make the characters in the books real, nor does it produce witnesses that can be found, living or dead.

When Abraham was told to go to the land of Canaan, he was just one person, yet he was right. And if he was right then we would require a God with massive amounts of grace to have a follow today where we are now with 1 in 3 people on the planet calling themselves Christians or some large amount like that. It is revelant. If there was still only one person or a few people following Christianity then it would not hold much weight.

You are missing the point about number of sources. You can't claim there is a lack of sources since Jesus has more sources for Him than any ten figures in antiquity.

Since the number of sources is not an issue, then look at the evidence in which over 99% of scholars who do their primary work on the resurrection for good reasons agree the disciples truly believed they had seen Jesus alive from the dead in various group settings.

The burden remains on you to deal with this. "Every document apparently ancient coming from the proper repository or custody and bearing on its face no evident marks of forgery, the law presumes to be genuine and devolves on the opposing party the burden of proving it to be otherwise."

[Zen Badger]

Wasn't Nosebleed boring...

And that has to be some sort of record for quickest banning ever

[Skipper]

I thought he was hilarious. Seemed to take my horse religion quite seriously.

[Ashendant]

a two headed horse talking to a pink cat.

Biologically that's possible but not flying so you hallucinated. Also there is no religio-historical context so who cares.

Is coming back from the dead biologically possible? and didn't Jesus fly (ascend whatever) up to heaven? Why can your super heroes be exempt from psychical laws and not mine? This isn't fair.

It is biological possible doctors on hospitals do it every day with those shocking stuff