Do humans always accept proofs when presented to them?

[Pizza]

There is no such thing as a bullet-proof argument, Mystic.  All premises can be doubted.  That is why your syllogisms fail.  There is no belief that can come without any accompanying doubt.

The novel idea that arguments need to be sound not just valid doesn't seem to register with him.

[Angrboda]

Yeah, this is complete poppycock.  I've studied cognitive bias and what you speak of is well within its purview.

You're ignoring the perfectly good explanation because you don't know.  Ignorance of the effects of bias =/= demons and dark forces.

 Ok a non-Muslims studies Islam. Decides to become Muslim. Why would he read the Quran but not see the clarification of this issue if it was clarified? What bias does he have towards Sunnism when he doesn't come from that sect?

How can confirmation bias play a role here? 

Let's even go further. A Shia has confirmation bias to see his sect is right? Why would many read the Quran but not see the clarification of this issue in many of it's instances if it was clarified in those instances?

Either the issue is not clarified in those verses or this something else then bias going on.

A perfect example of your ignorance. I tell you cognitive bias plays a role and because you only know about the operation of a few cognitive biases, and particularly confirmation bias, you exclaim that cognitive bias can't explain it, therefore dark forces is a better explanation. There are hundreds of cognitive biases and tricks the mind plays on itself. That you think 'confirmation bias' represents the whole field is simply ignorance. And as pointed out in another thread, concluding 'magic' because you personally aren't smart enough to explain it is an argument from ignorance. You're making judgements about cognitive bias and human psychology which you are not competent to be making.

[The Grand Nudger]

Stop it, Mystic, you know that it doesn't take a demon to disagree with you.  If your faith demands that it must be true, and your faith is ridiculous unless it is true; then your faith is untrue, and ridiculous.

[Brian37]

Yeah, this is complete poppycock.  I've studied cognitive bias and what you speak of is well within its purview.

You're ignoring the perfectly good explanation because you don't know.  Ignorance of the effects of bias =/= demons and dark forces.

 Ok a non-Muslims studies Islam. Decides to become Muslim. Why would he read the Quran but not see the clarification of this issue if it was clarified? What bias does he have towards Sunnism when he doesn't come from that sect?

How can confirmation bias play a role here? 

Let's even go further. A Shia has confirmation bias to see his sect is right? Why would many read the Quran but not see the clarification of this issue in many of it's instances if it was clarified in those instances?

Either the issue is not clarified in those verses or this something else then bias going on.

Conformation bias, see if you can spot the pattern.

I like the God of the Christian bible=The bible says=Therefore the Jesus is the one real god.

I like the Jewish God Yahweh= The Jewish OT says= Therefore Yahweh is the one real god.

I like the Hindu gods=The Vedas say= Therefore the Hindu gods are the real gods.

If you go into a claim from the start wanting it to be true, your ignorance is simply allowing you to fish for excuses to cling to the belief, add a bunch of other people holding the same beliefs as you, there is your conformation bias.

A real test to know if something is true, goes outside your own personal bias. 

That is what makes scientific method universal. Religion merely gets spread through marketing. Science acts as a tool to filter out personal bias.

[Mystic]

 Ok a non-Muslims studies Islam. Decides to become Muslim. Why would he read the Quran but not see the clarification of this issue if it was clarified? What bias does he have towards Sunnism when he doesn't come from that sect?

How can confirmation bias play a role here? 

Let's even go further. A Shia has confirmation bias to see his sect is right? Why would many read the Quran but not see the clarification of this issue in many of it's instances if it was clarified in those instances?

Either the issue is not clarified in those verses or this something else then bias going on.

A perfect example of your ignorance.  I tell you cognitive bias plays a role and because you only know about the operation of a few cognitive biases, and particularly confirmation bias, you exclaim that cognitive bias can't explain it, therefore dark forces is a better explanation.  There are hundreds of cognitive biases and tricks the mind plays on itself.  That you think 'confirmation bias' represents the whole field is simply ignorance.  And as pointed out in another thread, concluding 'magic' because you personally aren't smart enough to explain it is an argument from ignorance.  You're making judgements about cognitive bias and human psychology which you are not competent to be making.

You are right, I will have to look more into cognitive bias.

[robvalue]

It turns out there was a demon following me around. I finally spotted him. Little bastard. I chopped him into pieces and posted him back to daddy.

Doesn't seem to have made any difference. I guess it was a crap demon.

[Pizza]

It turns out there was a demon following me around. I finally spotted him. Little bastard. I chopped him into pieces and posted him back to daddy.

Doesn't seem to have made any difference. I guess it was a crap demon.

I kill two the other day earning enough jp to level up my job level.

[Brian37]

A perfect example of your ignorance.  I tell you cognitive bias plays a role and because you only know about the operation of a few cognitive biases, and particularly confirmation bias, you exclaim that cognitive bias can't explain it, therefore dark forces is a better explanation.  There are hundreds of cognitive biases and tricks the mind plays on itself.  That you think 'confirmation bias' represents the whole field is simply ignorance.  And as pointed out in another thread, concluding 'magic' because you personally aren't smart enough to explain it is an argument from ignorance.  You're making judgements about cognitive bias and human psychology which you are not competent to be making.

You are right, I will have to look more into cognitive bias.

Yes you do need to understand what that means and why it is not a good idea to ignore your own bias. Now again, we don't just argue conformation bias or "cognitive bias" bias with Muslims, we do that with every religion, not just you and not just your book. Hopefully you will see like many here did when we once believed, all we were really doing was looking for excuses to believe.

[Pizza]

Here some food for thought, if it was obvious there wouldn't be thousands of arguments for it.

[Brian37]

Here some food for thought, if it was obvious there wouldn't be thousands of arguments for  it.

Yep. Even with Buddhism. Allah nor Muhammad are unifying characters otherwise you would not have Sunnis and Shiites killing each other. Buddha is no more unifying to Buddhists, otherwise the Chinese and Japanese and Tibet Buddhists would always get along. Jesus also, is not a unifying character to Christians otherwise you would not have tea party Trump voters hating liberal Christians.

Religion itself in all its forms in all of human history, while setting up social pecking orders, are not great ways for our entire species to see that we are the same species. 

The truth of reality while you cannot force religion out of existence without becoming a monster yourself, the truth is that for all the good people claim it does, it is extremely divisive. It may be wiser for more humans to consider that our ability to be cruel or compassionate, is in our evolution, not the clubs we invent or the holy books we read.