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RE: Why i believe Sanders needs to win
January 16, 2016 at 2:14 am
(January 16, 2016 at 12:00 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Unlike Trump however, Bernie actually has a plan to get things done.
Great.
Now all he has to do is get it through Congress.
He should talk to Obama about that. Let's just never try to make a change, screw anyone who doesn't agree with congress.
Simply because congress will disagree with Bernie's positions is by all means a terrible reason not to vote for him.
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RE: Why i believe Sanders needs to win
January 16, 2016 at 2:19 am
Yeah...we can have 8 more years like the last 8, I guess.
Probably get that anyway.
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RE: Why i believe Sanders needs to win
January 16, 2016 at 3:57 am
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(January 16, 2016 at 2:19 am)Minimalist Wrote: Yeah...we can have 8 more years like the last 8, I guess.
Probably get that anyway. What do you suggest? We elect the person that seems to be out to change the least? What the fuck logic is that? Every person that's ever voted for the reason of wanting change has only voted for someone whom they felt gave the most hope for change. The fact that congress doesn't agree with him is the very fucking reason that people want someone to change that in the first place.
To compare Bernie Sanders to Obama is to undermine the difference in real world problems today, to undermine the variables involved, to undermine the million other factors that would make his presidency different than the previous, and to generalize an entire eight year presidency in to one fittingly minimalist idea that it was a bad presidency, and claim that from one misconstrued imaginary result of "bad" because of one reason in a sea of others being congress, that one result constitutes assuming the next president with the same generalized views for "change" never being specified is the exact same as Obama's, and will get a linear result based on one other example. This is the most irrational comparison and generalization I have ever heard, it is an ignorant and demonstrably false analogy based on imaginary assumptions and strong wording that has no basis. Forget a sea, there is a fucking Europa sized ginormous ocean full of variables, and attributes that make this situation entirely different from the last. How can you even begin to compare two people that don't even relatively have the same idea's, policies, aren't running for presidency in the same time period, or even dealing with remotely the same current worldly issues, and say that because of one constant factor and one made up subjectively generalized imaginary attribute of "Change", and "Congress" that the two in question will produce the same result of being rendered unable of accomplishing your subjective idea of "Change".
Don't think just because you have strong worded arguments the argument itself should be allowed to take on the attribute of the language in which you phrased it in. Bullshit wrapped up to look like a gaming console as a Christmas gift doesn't change the fact that it's not a gaming console, and is still bullshit.
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RE: Why i believe Sanders needs to win
January 16, 2016 at 4:32 am
(January 15, 2016 at 10:54 pm)TheRealJoeFish Wrote: The more time that goes by, the more I really think Bernie's going to be our next president. I really do.
Trump will win in a landslide.
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RE: Why i believe Sanders needs to win
January 16, 2016 at 4:40 am
(January 15, 2016 at 10:54 pm)TheRealJoeFish Wrote: The more time that goes by, the more I really think Bernie's going to be our next president. I really do.
You better be right!
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RE: Why i believe Sanders needs to win
January 16, 2016 at 5:06 am
(January 16, 2016 at 4:32 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Trump will win in a landslide.
I hope he wins the nomination. I really do.
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RE: Why i believe Sanders needs to win
January 16, 2016 at 6:22 am
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(January 16, 2016 at 5:06 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 4:32 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Trump will win in a landslide.
I hope he wins the nomination. I really do. Pretty much every person who isn't voting for him wants to see him win, while at the same time not wanting to see him win.
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RE: Why i believe Sanders needs to win
January 16, 2016 at 6:56 am
I'm pretty sure if he wins the GOP nom, no matter who the Dem on the other side is---that person's going to be the next president.
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RE: Why i believe Sanders needs to win
January 16, 2016 at 8:34 am
(January 16, 2016 at 6:56 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: I'm pretty sure if he wins the GOP nom, no matter who the Dem on the other side is---that person's going to be the next president.
I used to think that. Now I think Trump may actually become our next president. If that happens, instead of 4 more years of status quo and grid lock we will see a rapid decline in the well being of working class people. De-regulation will enrich the few while imperiling many. War making with whatever military we have ready to hand to promote our interests in the world will increase again. Things can definitely get worse. Too bad it is so hard to change anything for the better. Worse is so much easier to achieve in this country than better.
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RE: Why i believe Sanders needs to win
January 16, 2016 at 9:01 am
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