Teach children about Jesus at a young age,

[Minimalist]

I don't give a flying fuck what you do....and fuck jesus, too!

[Cyberman]

Actually, Huggy, the analogy wasn't that everyone needs lessons to be a safe driver - I even mentioned that in the analogy - but that being educated in how and why things work beats being indoctrinated with a list of diktat pronouncements even if those pronouncements are perfectly valid. There's even a reference in your special book about teaching a man to fish, such that he knows how to feed himself.

Your problem is assuming that a person of faith is opposed to education...

Which is interesting, since the subject of discussion is indoctrination vs education. Which has been the basis of every post I have made thus far. If that is my problem, what is yours?

[Divinity]

Gotta teach them while they're young, so you can scare the crap out of them with the idea of hell. Fuck lot of good that will do them if someone they love -- like a parent -- dies though. Imagine their fears of their parent being in hell. I know, because my granddaughter had to put up with that shit. After her mom died, some little prick told her that her mom was in hell. She was only 10 years old at the time.

If you show love, children will learn love. It's pretty fucking simple really.

[robvalue]

OK, so...

If an atheist wants to convince others to think the way he does, then that is atheist doctrine.

So it's not the doctrine of atheism, it's the doctrine of some atheists. Big difference.

If you have to redefine words to make statements, you're backing the wrong horse.

[Huggy Bear]

I don't give a flying fuck what you do....and fuck jesus, too!

Ok I'll take that as a yes.

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Jesus is fictional, too.


Poor Huggy.  He comes here to get all his delusions shot down.


Ah...fuck him. Let's go for the kill.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/egypt.htm

The two primary books of the Old Testament – Genesis and Exodus – refer to 'Pharaoh' 155 times. Curiously, not once in either book is Pharaoh identified by name – and yet, in fact, the references are to many different pharaohs, across many centuries. The anomaly is all the more telling in that the holy books are not lacking in naming numerous sundry and incidental characters. For example, the grandmother, of the grandmother, of King Asa of Judah was Abishalom, should you be interested! (1 Kings 15.10). But this style of literature should be familiar to us all: "Once upon a time, in a land far away, was a bad king. And in the forest, David played ... "

It's called a Fairy Tale.

Yes, because getting your information from a source with a clear agenda always works out well....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaoh

The earliest instance where pr-aa is used specifically to address the ruler is in a letter to Amenhotep IV (Akhenaten), who reigned circa 1353–1336 BC, which is addressed to 'Pharaoh, all life, prosperity, and health!.[6] During the eighteenth dynasty (16th to 14th centuries BC) the title pharaoh was employed as a reverential designation of the ruler. About the late twenty-first dynasty (10th century BC), however, instead of being used alone as before, it began to be added to the other titles before the ruler's name, and from the twenty-fifth dynasty (eighth to seventh centuries BC) it was, at least in ordinary usage, the only epithet prefixed to the royal appellative.[7]

From the nineteenth dynasty onward pr-ꜥꜣ on its own was used as regularly as hm.f, 'Majesty'. The term, therefore, evolved from a word specifically referring to a building to a respectful designation for the ruler, particularly by the twenty-second dynasty and twenty-third dynasty.[citation needed]

For instance, the first dated appearance of the title pharaoh being attached to a ruler's name occurs in Year 17 of Siamun on a fragment from the Karnak Priestly Annals. Here, an induction of an individual to the Amun priesthood is dated specifically to the reign of Pharaoh Siamun.[8] This new practice was continued under his successor Psusennes II and the twenty-second dynasty kings. For instance, the Large Dakhla stela is specifically dated to Year 5 of king 'Pharaoh Shoshenk, beloved of Amun' whom all Egyptologists concur was Shoshenq I--the founder of the Twenty-second dynasty--including Alan Gardiner in his original 1933 publication of this stela.[9] Shoshenq I was the second successor of Siamun. Meanwhile, the old custom of referring to the sovereign simply as pr-aa continued in traditional Egyptian narratives.

Let's see, you conclude Jesus is fictional because the Bible never used Pharaohs name, except that's how it was done traditionally....

Stellar research there bud!


Btw thought you were supposed to be an "expert" in Egyptology 

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Then there is this, I think you abandoned this thread in record time.

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You guys never seem to realize that creationism/evolution aren't mutually exclusive.

Evolution doesn't explain how life came to exist....

And you don't understand that it is not supposed to!

I never said it was....

Atheists are the ones that always seem to act like it's creation vs evolution.....

read the op.

That's exactly what you said, asshole.


"Evolution doesn't explain how life came to exist...."    That's what YOU wrote.

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How old are you again? And you still haven't learned what the word 'exactly' means?  
 
Saying what something is NOT supposed to do isn't EXACTLY the same as saying what it IS supposed to do

Ok enough of that (you asked for it), back on topic.

[Huggy Bear]

Your problem is assuming that a person of faith is opposed to education...

Which is interesting, since the subject of discussion is indoctrination vs education. Which has been the basis of every post I have made thus far. If that is my problem, what is yours?

Read the thread title.

It actually uses the word "teach" not 'indoctrinate'...

Public schools teach about Jesus as an historical figure (at least mine did) is that indoctrination or education?

The thing is you can't be indoctrinated into Christianity, there are no rules to follow, the only thing one is commanded to do is to repent and be baptized... that's it. After that you're free to do whatever you want to do.

[Minimalist]

I don't give a flying fuck what you do....and fuck jesus, too!

Ok I'll take that as a yes.

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Yes, because getting your information from a source with a clear agenda always works out well....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaoh


Let's see, you conclude Jesus is fictional because the Bible never used Pharaohs name, except that's how it was done traditionally....

Stellar research there bud!


Btw thought you were supposed to be an "expert" in Egyptology 

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Then there is this, I think you abandoned this thread in record time.

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You guys never seem to realize that creationism/evolution aren't mutually exclusive.

Evolution doesn't explain how life came to exist....

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How old are you again? And you still haven't learned what the word 'exactly' means?  
 
Also saying what something is NOT supposed to do isn't the same as saying what it IS supposed to do

Ok enough of that (you asked for it), back on topic.

Hey, fuckface

I know what "exactly" means.  You are exactly an idiot.  And the theory of evolution does not address abiogenesis which you might know if you knew anything about evolution... but you don't.

It's not your fault.  You are saddled with a primitive superstitious belief system which precludes rational thought.

So go fuck yourself and your absurd 'god."

Hey....why don't you pray for him to strike me dead?  Let's see how good a prayer you are.

Asshole.

[Huggy Bear]

So go fuck yourself and your absurd 'god."

Hey....why don't you pray for him to strike me dead?  Let's see how good a prayer you are.

Asshole.

What are you like 75?

what would be the point, It will just be chalked up to "coincidence"...

[robvalue]

I would not object to actually teaching people about Jesus, even at an early age. As in reliable historical conclusions.

It wouldn't take very long.

[drfuzzy]

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Which is interesting, since the subject of discussion is indoctrination vs education. Which has been the basis of every post I have made thus far. If that is my problem, what is yours?

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Read the thread title.

It actually uses the word "teach" not 'indoctrinate'...

Public schools teach about Jesus as an historical figure (at least mine did) is that indoctrination or education?

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 The thing is you can't be indoctrinated into Christianity, there are no rules to follow, the only thing one is commanded to do is to repent and be baptized... that's it.

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 After that you're free to do whatever you want to do.

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You can't be indoctrinated into xtianity?  Say what?
Singing children's hymns at the age of three isn't indoctrination?  Being surrounded by "Jesus this" and "Jesus that" since the day of your birth isn't indoctrination?  Being told that if you don't love Jesus and obey your parents, you'll burn in hell forever isn't indoctrination?  Being told since kindergarten that reading the Bible and praying and being good in church is more important than anything else in the world isn't indoctrination?  Being told that getting to heaven by being a good xtian is the ONLY thing that is important in life isn't indoctrination?  Being told that you can't play with the kids who aren't xtians because they're evil and they hate Jesus and they're going to burn in hell isn't indoctrination?
If that isn't indoctrination, what is?