Brussels Terrorist Attack

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The refugee crisis is actually a perfect piece of strategy from ISIS.  Their stated goal is to increase anti-Islamic sentiment.  They want all Muslims to feel disenfranchised and isolated in the West.  And we're playing right into their hands with the refugees.  They want us to turn away millions of tired, hungry, sick, desperate people because of the threat posed by a relative handful in their midst (note that I'm not denying that threat exists).  Even 'better', ISIS can turn around and say, "Look!  Look how the West proves their own hypocrisy!  Look how they make our brothers and sisters and children die in the streets!"

It's terribly brilliant.  The best solution would be to let them in after a thorough screening process, then monitor them closely.  I'm not sure if separating them would be beneficial or make things more difficult.

Regarding leftist PC stuff, there's a push back taking place.  I consider myself pretty liberal, but I find the notion that ANY religion must be treated with kid gloves abhorrent.  Fuck Mohammed up the ass with a rusty spike.

How many monitors (thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions) will it take to monitor all of those refugees and their kids 24/7/365 for the next 100 years?  And how much will it cost?

If your home looked like this would you really need an asshole to radicalize you?  http://cdn-r1.unilad.co.uk/wp-content/up....03.07.png

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/7024804...40x627.jpg

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dyna...633464.jpg

[Anomalocaris]

Let me clarify -- they cannot be imposed as a change of mind. Of course they can be imposed upon a society ... but it's individual members?

Fair enough.  To that extent I agree completely: you can't make me believe your ideology at the point of a gun.  But if you hold that gun to my wife's head, you can certainly make me act as if I believe your ideology.  

Boru

If I hold a gun to your wife's head and make you act as if you believe by sending your child to my madras, where I have my eyes on the ball of invocations my ideologies, I have a superb chance of making sure your child believes regardless of whether you are only pretending. Lasting victory of Ideology Usually takes a few generations, not a few years.

This is how individuals can be made to truly believe at gun point over a couple of generations.

The west lost the ideology battle at home with many of the second generation youths of Islamic immigrant population not through any failure to point a gun at the head of the immigrants themselves, but by making sure the second generation feel alienated and marginalized rather than trusted and relied upon.

[robvalue]

Too true, it's the fucking over of young minds that will cause this madness to continue.

If we can somehow persuade everyone to stop indoctrinating, I feel the world would be a much better place for it. How that is to be achieved, I don't know. Hopefully through peaceful mutual understanding and discussion; but obviously that's unrealistic regarding some people/societies at present.

If we can't even persuade people in the West to stop indoctrinating their children, we've got fuck all chance of influencing the East.

Bottom line: virtually no one is going to blow themselves up to kill a bunch of random people unless religious nonsense has been jammed into their head. Every person who "believes" and perpetuates these oral myths is playing a small part in keeping this all going. And I'm talking about every religion, not just Islam. Everyone who spreads the idea that "faith" is a good idea is keeping this circle of ignorance going.

I'm not saying peaceful religious people are accountable for the violence. Of course not. I'm saying they are pawns in the larger game of keeping indoctrination going, and religious ideas being given credibility. This provides the framework for the much more harmful lunacy to be propped up on.

What are the chances that someone who was not raised Muslim could be "brainwashed" into joining ISIS? The seeds have already been planted by the indoctrination they almost certainly had as a child. Even if they're told what a peaceful religion it is, it's exactly the same God and the same book as ISIS revere. There's no getting away from that, until they literally do get away from that.

How totally sad it all is.

[KUSA]

Trump will stop this madness. Believe me.

[robvalue]

By blowing up all Muslims?

[Kosh]

Trump will stop this madness. Believe me.

He has a magic wand?  Why didn't he come out and say so!

[Anomalocaris]

Trump will stop this madness. Believe me.

By wrapping himself in his personal, patented brand of stupidity so thick that his inner madness can hardly be seen through it.

[KevinM1]

The refugee crisis is actually a perfect piece of strategy from ISIS.  Their stated goal is to increase anti-Islamic sentiment.  They want all Muslims to feel disenfranchised and isolated in the West.  And we're playing right into their hands with the refugees.  They want us to turn away millions of tired, hungry, sick, desperate people because of the threat posed by a relative handful in their midst (note that I'm not denying that threat exists).  Even 'better', ISIS can turn around and say, "Look!  Look how the West proves their own hypocrisy!  Look how they make our brothers and sisters and children die in the streets!"

It's terribly brilliant.  The best solution would be to let them in after a thorough screening process, then monitor them closely.  I'm not sure if separating them would be beneficial or make things more difficult.

Regarding leftist PC stuff, there's a push back taking place.  I consider myself pretty liberal, but I find the notion that ANY religion must be treated with kid gloves abhorrent.  Fuck Mohammed up the ass with a rusty spike.

How many monitors (thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions) will it take to monitor all of those refugees and their kids 24/7/365 for the next 100 years?  And how much will it cost?

If your home looked like this would you really need an asshole to radicalize you?  http://cdn-r1.unilad.co.uk/wp-content/up....03.07.png

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/7024804...40x627.jpg

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dyna...633464.jpg

Please point out for the rest of the class where I said their monitoring should be 24/7/365 for the next 100 years.

Also, what would be your solution?  I think that allowing, let's say, a few hundred thousand people in at once, people who we know will be unwittingly providing cover for radicals requires some kind of security response, don't you?

Keep in mind, I'm not saying:

Put them in prison
Put them in camps
Otherwise treat them inhumanely

Just that something needs to happen if we let them in.  "Let them in and fuck the consequences" isn't really much better than "Don't let them in" from a security standpoint.

I'm thinking more of a parole-type setup, but one that's more positively focused.  Where these people get taught English (or whatever the main language(s) of the Western country they've fled to is), job training if necessary, job placement, etc.  Let them earn money, make something positive for themselves again, and pay taxes.  Check in once a week or two to some kind of officer/coordinator/counselor to both ease the transition and to allow us to keep some tabs on them.  Because it's a lot better than just sitting around in FEMA camps or whatever with no outlet for one's passions/frustrations/anger/sadness/etc.

I mean, we already do this.  It doesn't seem like an impossible task to expand/replicate it.  The biggest hurdle, in my mind, is housing.  Actual housing, not tents or shit.

As far as the costs go, well, maybe we should've thought of that before toppling governments while not having any viable follow up strategy.

Something needs to be done, and the extreme positions - doing nothing or just letting them in after an initial vetting (because we all know how awesome we are at not letting people on terror watch lists in) - aren't realistic.

[Minimalist]

Trump will stop this madness. Believe me.

He has a magic wand?  Why didn't he come out and say so!

Marco Rubio said its a tiny little wand.... which would explain his interminable bravado. 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph...k+Syndrome

Little Dick Syndrome
Condition which causes a person to use his position of authority to threaten or speak to others in a condescending tone. It is most common in police officers, military, security guards, rent-a-cops, teachers, parents, etc. When not 'on duty', those with LDS are quickly revealed as cowards.
We thought the officer was courageous but as soon as he didn't have his badge and police backup, we realized he had Little Dick Syndrome.

To the list we can add republicunt presidential candidates.

[Minimalist]

Just listened to a shithead Texas congressman named Thornberry who is chairman of the "armed services committee."  He can't wait to invade Syria...oh, btw, he's a chickenhawk who never served which is quite common with these republicunts.  Also said that it is ridiculous that military commanders can't order air strikes without permission because of the risk of killing civilians.  Tell me... isn't someone who randomly kills civilians a terrorist?