Is woman the center of the universe, or...

[abaris]

In my worldview, and oddly enough, men and women are most interested in the same thing: to get our genes into the future as the next generation.  Men will say and do anything to make this happen, including admitting that they will say and do anything to make this happen.  Each existing persons father was successful in this quest.  Unsuccessful fathers are not represented.

That's a very simplistic view. Of course, nature intended - for lack of a better word - the preservation of the species. That's why an orgasm is fun and not something dull or even painful. But, pardon my french, not every fuck produces babies. And not every fuck is intended to produce babies in this day and age. That goes for men as well as women. Many people even shy away from the thought, since it's not a cheap deal to produce babies. It's a money trap, a life long commitment and often a career hindrance. Especially for women. So, men doing anything to make it happen, is as far removed from reality as it gets. They may do anything to make a good fuck happen. But that doesn't mean, they do anything to make babies happen.

[Losty]

Never...not once in my entire life have I ever heard a man admit that he will say and do anything in order to put his seed into a womb. Nope.

[Aoi Magi]

Equality depends on context. Men and women are different physically and also they are treated a bit differently in society but that doesn't say anything about their equality as individuals.

[JuliaL]

In my worldview, and oddly enough, men and women are most interested in the same thing: to get our genes into the future as the next generation.  Men will say and do anything to make this happen, including admitting that they will say and do anything to make this happen.  Each existing persons father was successful in this quest.  Unsuccessful fathers are not represented.

That's a very simplistic view. Of course, nature intended - for lack of a better word - the preservation of the species. That's why an orgasm is fun and not something dull or even painful. But, pardon my french, not every fuck produces babies. And not every fuck is intended to produce babies in this day and age. That goes for men as well as women. Many people even shy away from the thought, since it's not a cheap deal to produce babies. It's a money trap, a life long commitment and often a career hindrance. Especially for women. So, men doing anything to make it happen, is as far removed from reality as it gets. They may do anything to make a good fuck happen. But that doesn't mean, they do anything to make babies happen.

I am not at all saying that the actions (lying or not) of men (or women) are conscious and intentional.  The point I am trying to make is that the sum total activity, sexual, cultural, physical, coincidental either results in replication or it doesn't.  In this context, it is no wonder that the successful reproductive strategies are those that we see.  In fact it is nearly a tautology:  those behaviors we see are those which have been reproductively successful for our ancestors.

For you, the most important action ever taken by your parents was to have had sex at a particular time under specific circumstances.  That this was largely accidental and had only passing dependence on their mental states is wholly immaterial.  It is still what got you here with all the results that entails.

[Losty]

You presume to know what I'm thinking. I don't have a problem. I said nothing about being helpful. I said kind. It's not the same. Sometimes if someone doesn't want whatever kind of "help" you're offering, you should just leave them alone.

I am very aware of the difference between kind and helpful, as well as of what you meant. My point stands, you're just yet to get it.

As for assumming, what's your point? That I shouldn't? Spare me your precious feelings about my observations, would you?

Since you edited this in after I already responded (I don't know why I'm surprised because you love editing posts later) my point had nothing to do with my feelings. You'd have to try really hard to hurt my feelings because I don't value your opinion. The reason for that is because of past experience with you and coming to terms with the fact that you simply seek out to cause drama and be mean.

My point was that, because you made an assumption about my thoughts, your response was incorrect. You presumed to then tell me what is wrong with me, when actually there's nothing wrong with me at all.