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RE: "sacred" spaces - just musing
April 14, 2016 at 1:55 pm
(April 14, 2016 at 1:31 pm)Drich Wrote: (April 14, 2016 at 12:25 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: Emphasis mine.
Apparently, Drippy, you don't even bother to read your own bible. You just spout denial all over the place whenever someone says something negative about that stupid holy book. Perhaps you need to study Exodus. Particulary the part that Dr. Fuzzy mentions where it specifically states gawds instructions for building a sanctuary.
And in case you wanted to play semantics with words, a sanctuary IS the same place as a church, ie, a place to worship an imaginary sky daddy.
apparently sport you do can not fathom the simple idea that the bible represents more than one religion. Otherwise you'd know that because their are no more OT Jews, all that you quoted and embolden are meaningless.
Seriously, do you not understand that a Christian is not an OT Jew?
Apparently, sport, you are doing what you always do. Twist words, move goal posts and use word salad to suit your own agenda. I quoted you directly, according to your own words and now you want to say the bible represents more than one religion.
So, instead of sticking to what was originally said and what I bolded to refute your claim that god didn't direct anyone to build a church, you're now going to switch up things. Sorry, that isn't how it works, sport. You stated and I'll quote it again just so there's no room for error here:
Quote:There is no command to build a dedicated church building. That is something 'religious' people do.
Let's see, according to your most recent claim, the bible represents more than one religion. If that is true, then there would be more than one god, correct? Either way, that still doesn't have anything to do with what the bible directly states about (a) god commanding that a sanctuary be built, with specific instructions, right down to the furniture.
The command is still being given by a god. Why are you making an issue out of which god said it?
Oh, and FYI - the Abrahamic god is still the same god that Christians follow today. Christians still read verses from the OT in church. That has nothing to do with anything, but since you were intent on relocating your goal posts, I figured I'd toss it out there for you.
Back on topic now.
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RE: "sacred" spaces - just musing
April 14, 2016 at 4:18 pm
(April 14, 2016 at 1:55 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: Apparently, sport, you are doing what you always do. Twist words, move goal posts and use word salad to suit your own agenda. I quoted you directly, according to your own words and now you want to say the bible represents more than one religion. Holy crap are you serious? ![ROFLOL ROFLOL](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/roflol.gif) You don't know the bible represents OT Judaism and NT Christianity, yet your going to preach to me on how things work???? This should be fun.
First: Old Testament Judaism is one religion that you have to be blood born into, and then keep all of the laws.
New Testament Christianity is the exact opposite. One can not be born into NT Christianity and it's primary principle revolves around freedom from 'The Law.'
Quote:So, instead of sticking to what was originally said and what I bolded to refute your claim that god didn't direct anyone to build a church,
Again I stick by what I said because OT Jews did not worship at a Church nor ever were called to worship in a church setting.
Never once.
The worshiped at a tabernacle (which was a tent with a very specific layout) a Temple (1 of only 3 ever built)
but these were not for common people to come and have a weekly service. they were a 6 day aweek priest hub of activity.
much later came Local had synagogues, but again weekly services were not held. they were simply meeting places jews went to congregate on occasion, pray and celebrate their Holy days. but again not a church and not a temple nor a tabernacle as they did not follow the lay out you are so keen on.
https://www.gci.org/law/sabbath/lev23
Quote:you're now going to switch up things. Sorry, that isn't how it works, sport. You stated and I'll quote it again just so there's no room for error here:
Indeed that's why I've taken the time to school you on the differences between OT Judaism and NT Christianity.
rather than just make fun of you. (i'm doing both ![Big Grin Big Grin](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/biggrin.gif) )
Quote:Let's see, according to your most recent claim, the bible represents more than one religion. If that is true, then there would be more than one god, correct?
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So no. A 'religion' is a method of worship. Judaism, Christianity and Islam claim to worship the same God. the three could not be more different if they tried. Again for the very slow In the world now there are 3 major religions and 1 God they all claim to worship.
Quote:Either way, that still doesn't have anything to do with what the bible directly states about (a) god commanding that a sanctuary be built, with specific instructions, right down to the furniture.
Actually genus it does matter. God commanded The OT Jews to build such a structure. He did not command Christians to follow suit. Christians had a different model and again that was meeting in people's houses, or even in public venues on a daily or sometimes weekly basis on the first day of the week (Sunday) rather than the Sabbath which was Saturday.
Quote:The command is still being given by a god. Why are you making an issue out of which god said it?
Because again, what was said to the OT Jews does not apply to NT Christianity or we'd be OT Jews.
Quote:Oh, and FYI - the Abrahamic god is still the same god that Christians follow today.
very good, you want a cookie?
Again, what makes a Jew a Jew and not a christian is the religion/laws the OT Jew had to follow that the Christian does not. Included in those laws are your instructions on how to build a tabernacle or temple.
Quote:Christians still read verses from the OT in church.
So? We also read from the Koran when studying Islam and from book of Mormon when studying mormons.
Quote:That has nothing to do with anything, but since you were intent on relocating your goal posts, I figured I'd toss it out there for you.
Back on topic now.
cute.. Your like a guy who heard someone once describe how to fly a plane, who is trying to teach a certified pilot with 25K hours of actual flight time how to fly... Based off what you heard, maybe once.
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RE: "sacred" spaces - just musing
April 14, 2016 at 4:25 pm
(April 14, 2016 at 4:18 pm)Drich Wrote: Quote:Either way, that still doesn't have anything to do with what the bible directly states about (a) god commanding that a sanctuary be built, with specific instructions, right down to the furniture.
Actually genus it does matter. <rest edited away by RozKek>
Well, that's ironic.
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RE: "sacred" spaces - just musing
April 14, 2016 at 4:30 pm
(April 14, 2016 at 4:25 pm)RozKek Wrote: (April 14, 2016 at 4:18 pm)Drich Wrote: Actually genus it does matter. <rest edited away by RozKek>
Well, that's ironic.
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RE: "sacred" spaces - just musing
April 14, 2016 at 4:41 pm
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(April 14, 2016 at 4:30 pm)Drich Wrote: Those who can do.
Those who can't teach.
Just throwing this out there, but this canned bit of folk idiocy has always irritated the fuck out of me, coming as I do from a line of dedicated teachers and being the grateful beneficiary of a number of excellent instructors from childhood through college.
Derail over.
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RE: "sacred" spaces - just musing
April 15, 2016 at 12:14 am
(April 14, 2016 at 12:27 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: (April 14, 2016 at 12:24 pm)abaris Wrote: It's more on the lines of building a sense of community. Some place where people can congregate. Our distant ancestors had clearings in the woods where they gathered. Churches or any other place of worship are just the continuation using different means.
Ya but.... the difference is the clearings our ancestors used didn't cost money to build. The church "elders" have to guilt trip people into believing their stupid god wants money so he can have a house built that he will never come and visit, pay taxes on or thank all those who contributed their money to build. The Bible says to bring loot when you go visit God. It's against the rule to show up empty handed. It's actually part of the Fourth Commandment.
Exodus 34:20 (MSG) = 20 “Redeem your firstborn donkey with a lamb. If you don’t redeem it you must break its neck.
“Redeem each of your firstborn sons.
“No one is to show up in my presence empty-handed."
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RE: "sacred" spaces - just musing
April 15, 2016 at 11:16 am
(April 14, 2016 at 4:41 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: (April 14, 2016 at 4:30 pm)Drich Wrote: Those who can do.
Those who can't teach.
Just throwing this out there, but this canned bit of folk idiocy has always irritated the fuck out of me, coming as I do from a line of dedicated teachers and being the grateful beneficiary of a number of excellent instructors from childhood through college.
Derail over. You do understand I'm the "teacher" here right?
And if you got that wrong maybe the 'can't' isn't what you "think."
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RE: "sacred" spaces - just musing
April 15, 2016 at 1:26 pm
(April 15, 2016 at 11:16 am)Drich Wrote: (April 14, 2016 at 4:41 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:
Quote:You do understand I'm the "teacher" here right?
This ignorant xenophobic misogynistic delusional uneducated fool who can't tell his ass from his elbow actually thinks he's "the teacher" here.
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RE: "sacred" spaces - just musing
April 15, 2016 at 1:27 pm
Drich, don't be a boner
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RE: "sacred" spaces - just musing
April 15, 2016 at 1:27 pm
'Sides, I already have one of those
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