Atheism vs. God's Existence

[rexbeccarox]

No.

Pages back, you asserted that design doesn't require intelligence. I asked for an example of something that is designed sans intelligence, and you asserted "a snowflake", not in relation to what any other member said. I'm asking for your evidence. Your assertion; your BOP.

Why shouldn't I still be "on that"?

The RocketSurgeon had just been talking about how a snowflake has the qualities of the design without a designer, and I don't disagree. Obviously the snowflake was not consciously designed, but was the result of unintelligent natural processes. I'm not trying to argue that the snowflake was designed by an intelligence, so let's get that straight. It has features of design: high degrees of geometric symmetry and irregularity.

Remember, you asked what design doesn't require intelligence, I said a snowflake, and now you seem to be disagreeing. Are you saying that a snowflake does require intelligence? If not, then we are on the same page and I don't see why you are asking me about it.

No, I'm asking for your evidence that it was designed. "Was designed" and "features that look designed" are two different things, and my question is specific to the former.

https://www.google.com/search?q=design+d...e&ie=UTF-8

de·sign
dəˈzīn/Submit
noun
1.
a plan or drawing produced to show the look and function or workings of a building, garment, or other object before it is built or made.
"he has just unveiled his design for the new museum"
synonyms: plan, blueprint, drawing, sketch, outline, map, plot, diagram, draft, representation, scheme, model
"a design for the offices"
2.
purpose, planning, or intention that exists or is thought to exist behind an action, fact, or material object.
"the appearance of design in the universe"
synonyms: intention, aim, purpose, plan, intent, objective, object, goal, end, target; More
verb
1.
decide upon the look and functioning of (a building, garment, or other object), typically by making a detailed drawing of it.
"a number of architectural students were designing a factory"
synonyms: plan, outline, map out, draft, draw More

By definition, design requires intelligence, a plan, intention, thought. Maybe you'd like to try another example of something that is designed but doesn't require intelligence?

[IATIA]

One of the main reasons is that Jesus's resurrection is the only acceptable explanation for the explosion of the early Christian church as many people were reported to have seen him alive afterword.

I can probably find hundreds if not thousands of people that have seen Elvis. Does that mean Elvis is the second christ?

[Gemini]

They would just say that it is an argument from ignorance and ignore it... And yeah, I know it is near impossible to convince a skeptic. 

With an argument that you yourself acknowledge experts in the relevant field would ignore, you bet it's near impossible to convince a skeptic.

[Ravenshire]

The designer of your car isn't omniscient and omnipotent, dumbass. ID proposes just such a designer.

ID stops at designer, and does not attempt to identify the designer. That goes on to historical, philosophical, and other lines of inquiry other than observable science.

Bullshit. ID is the creation of believers like yourself. But, if you want to go down tjat road, what is you intelligent design agent? Really, there can be no further meaningful dialog until that is defined.

[Whateverist]

And now you're just being silly.  You obviously neither understand nor accept evolution.

I wonder if I may ask you a religious question.  Is the idea of "god" tied up with His creative function for you?  Or are you in it for the objective morals and/or afterlife plan?  Also, how can your ideas of what God is be so precise?

How do I not understand evolution? Is it not capable of replacing an inefficient structure with an efficient one?

Why do I believe that the designer is the Christian God? There are a few reasons. One of the main reasons is that Jesus's resurrection is the only acceptable explanation for the explosion of the early Christian church as many people were reported to have seen him alive afterword. Mass hallucinations and other explanations don't hold up. Also, I have been writing an extensive philosophy paper on the purpose of life and redefining the concept of the common good. I reached a conclusion. I realized after I had come up with that idea that it coincided perfectly with the Christian message.

And I hate the idea of an afterlife as much as you, but that doesn't change the fact that I think it is true.

The prior and more important question is why do you think the intricate 'design' of things implies a super-omni cosmic watchmaker at all?  Must every factoid regarding the arrangement of a thing's parts reflect a decision by that Guy?  Your way of thinking about this doesn't seem at all intuitive to me.

I don't 'hate' the idea of an afterlife so much as I find it silly.  It doesn't jive with what we experience.  

But since you've decided that the bible is the can't-miss reference book of the world par excellence, you just can't help using it to screen every finding of science and the evidence of your own senses.  I'm sure it isn't even a conscious decision on your part by now. I have to say I feel a little sorry for you on this account.

[dyresand]

It's such a shame really to think.. to really think at one people that christianity used to test evidence now uses faith and ID of all bullshit...
disregarding the evidence for pseudoscience and faith that something created us and still haven't produced testable evidence or any evidence for a god what so ever.
Then desperately argue from emotion using circular reasoning and other types of arguments such as the argument from morality and still fail utterly fail and
still the same people doesn't their damn lesson when the evidence is clearly their in their faces and still they cover their eyes and mouths and would rather lie for
what they believe in too be true than the actual truth that is rooted in reality.

[Jackalope]

By definition, design requires intelligence, a plan, intention, thought. Maybe you'd like to try another example of something that is designed but doesn't require intelligence?

I seem to recall bringing up this very issue some back and at the time ack-ack did not appear to dispute it.

I would seem that he now wants to pretend that isn't a thing.

[rexbeccarox]

By definition, design requires intelligence, a plan, intention, thought. Maybe you'd like to try another example of something that is designed but doesn't require intelligence?

I seem to recall bringing up this very issue some back and at the time ack-ack did not appear to dispute it.

I would seem that he now wants to pretend that isn't a thing.

I especially love the "you're still on that?" response like it's lost its validity.

[dyresand]

It's such a shame really to think.. to really think at one point that christianity used to test evidence now uses faith and ID of all bullshit...
disregarding the evidence for pseudoscience and faith that something created us and still haven't produced testable evidence or any evidence for a god what so ever.
Then desperately argue from emotion using circular reasoning and other types of arguments such as the argument from morality and still fail utterly fail and
still the same people doesn't their damn lesson when the evidence is clearly their in their faces and still they cover their eyes and mouths and would rather lie for
what they believe in too be true than the actual truth that is rooted in reality.

Sorry that was kinda bugging me when i made that error

[Edwardo Piet]

Aww hehe