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RE: UK to leave EU
June 25, 2016 at 11:52 am
(June 25, 2016 at 11:45 am)abaris Wrote: (June 25, 2016 at 11:38 am)madog Wrote: Err ... Turkey has been an associate member since 1963, they have to fulfill a certain 72 requirements, they have presently satisfied 65 ... Neither you or I can state whether they will be a member, but they are certainly in line 
Is it too much to ask to compare Turkey's current state against EU requirements?
They where included in a list I got from the EU, showing present and possible future members ... did you just look to find a fault without looking at the principles I was laying out?
To be honest I am not really interested in people that quickly look up wiki and take it as Gospel
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RE: UK to leave EU
June 25, 2016 at 11:53 am
(June 25, 2016 at 11:14 am)LastPoet Wrote: Yeah dude. Vaping. Its all that matters hahaha.
I think that not all Brexiters are Vapists but all Vapists are Brexiters 
Damn Vapism.
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RE: UK to leave EU
June 25, 2016 at 11:54 am
(June 25, 2016 at 11:48 am)LastPoet Wrote: Vaping.... VAPING. Its all that matters.
I hear vaping is a great replacement for cigarettes as well as united Europe... (Gee, I hope EU doesn't arrest me for promoting vaping...)
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RE: UK to leave EU
June 25, 2016 at 11:58 am
(June 25, 2016 at 10:54 am)robvalue Wrote: Yeah. I feel petty glum about it. There seems to be huge optimism from the leave crowd that all this will just blow over, but I really don't know what that is based on.
Denial and overconfidence.
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RE: UK to leave EU
June 25, 2016 at 12:15 pm
(June 25, 2016 at 11:38 am)madog Wrote: (June 25, 2016 at 11:32 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Yeah, thanks. What exactly is that supposed to prove? I'm not denying Turkey would like to be a member, but there are no indications that it will become one in foreseeable future.
Err ... Turkey has been an associate member since 1963, they have to fulfill a certain 72 requirements, they have presently satisfied 65 ... Neither you or I can state whether they will be a member, but they are certainly in line
(June 25, 2016 at 11:38 am)Emjay Wrote: But wasn't it part of the Brexit campaign to get rid of the ECHR? And replace the Human Rights Act with a Bill of Rights? How does that fit into this?
The UK introduced the UK Human rights act in 1998 which is exactly the same as the ECHR, and relies on case-law of the Court of Human Rights ... it was only introduced for convenience so violations could be dealt with in the UK courts to cut down the waiting time and inconvenience in going to Strasbourg ... But even if a violation failed in the UK Courts it can still go to the ECHR ...
A lot of bull is spread by politicians, the UK will never leave the ECHR ....
Okay, thanks for the info... it makes a lot more sense how it all fits together... the Council of Europe is separate from the EU, and it is the Council of Europe that is responsible for the ECHR. And you're saying that the EU itself is not bound by the ECHR and is only as good as the values of its members... so if right-wing countries join they can influence policy which is then not accountable to the ECHR? But I think abaris says, everyone has to vote (?unanimously) on it for anything to pass, so shouldn't that be a safeguard?
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RE: UK to leave EU
June 25, 2016 at 12:17 pm
(June 25, 2016 at 8:27 am)Losty Wrote: Yes, except Scotland is better off without the UK economically. The same cannot be said for the Uk without the EU.
I think Texas would be better off without the US.
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RE: UK to leave EU
June 25, 2016 at 12:29 pm
(This post was last modified: June 25, 2016 at 12:29 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You'd be wrong. Some texans might agree, but they're texans....so......
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: UK to leave EU
June 25, 2016 at 12:32 pm
(June 25, 2016 at 12:15 pm)Emjay Wrote: Okay, thanks for the info... it makes a lot more sense how it all fits together... the Council of Europe is separate from the EU, and it is the Council of Europe that is responsible for the ECHR. And you're saying that the EU itself is not bound by the ECHR and is only as good as the values of its members... so if right-wing countries join they can influence policy which is then not accountable to the ECHR? But I think abaris says, everyone has to vote (?unanimously) on it for anything to pass, so shouldn't that be a safeguard?
First you have to note that members of the European parliament MEP's don't have to be particularly clever or knowledgeable about Human Right Law.
The European Commission (not elected) draw up directives and then all the MEPS discuss, maybe ask for changes, then vote ....
You have MEP's now from Eastern Europe, but France can get Right wing MEP's ... and some are pretty way of the scale right ...
Note for some reason right wing politicians get voted in as MEP's, look at Nigel Farage ...
I don't feel comfortable with a lot of the MEP's that can Direct Europe from Directives drawn up by the EU Commission (not elected).
What others think of my right to vote on my conscience, doesn't concern me. It's my vote and my conscience and I trust my research right or wrong above sound bites from those that disagree ....
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RE: UK to leave EU
June 25, 2016 at 12:36 pm
(June 25, 2016 at 12:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You'd be wrong. Some texans might agree, but they're texans....so......
Oh camon, the US isnt the same thing without Texas! What motif to laugh at would you have then? Yeee-haw! Bang bang.
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RE: UK to leave EU
June 25, 2016 at 12:38 pm
Exactly, and what would texans have to pretend they were capable of if not for their inclusion in the US.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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