Origin of evil

[ScienceAf]

Can you like, fuck off?

[bennyboy]

Before you blame Muslims for anything just try to look closely at some brute historical facts. The calamities that you see in the Muslim world today are only a continuation of what the Christian world endured in a very recent past.

Jews are working exactly on the lines that are sketched in the Protocols. I firmly believe that the Protocols is a true Jewish plan.

You believe it because you HAVE to. If your station in life is someone else's fault, then you don't have to take responsibility for your own progress in life. You don't have to go to school, get a meaningful degree, etc.

Instead, you can grow your beard down to your waist, pretend to be a fighter for the purity of Islam, and tell yourself that it doesn't matter that you'll never have a woman, because there are 72 virgins waiting for you in heaven. But that just shows you've never been with ONE virgin-- cuz it ain't much of a reward, I gotta say.

Seriously, dude, EVEN IF it's all the Jews, the question comes down to this-- what are you going to do with your life? You gonna sit around your dole-supported flat with your thumb up your ass, or are you going to go out and try to make something of your life? For a library card and a couple dollars in late charges, you could get an actual education and better yourself as a human being.

[downbeatplumb]

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Instead, you can grow your beard down to your waist, pretend to be a fighter for the purity of Islam, and tell yourself that it doesn't matter that you'll never have a woman, because there are 72 virgins waiting for you in heaven.  But that just shows you've never been with ONE virgin-- cuz it ain't much of a reward, I gotta say.

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I'm with you, experience is the way to go.

[RobertE]

Arabs invaded North on their way to conquer Europe. Yes, they ruled Spain for 800 years, and perhaps they didn't force, however, all those who wanted to stay with their faith had to pay a special tax. Furthermore, it was the Inquisition that wiped out most of the Jews, especially the conversos.

In the history of Judaism if there were any supporters of Jews they were the Muslims. For example, when Spain had kicked out the Jews, they were the Muslim rulers who brought them back to Spain and created all facilities for them to prosper alongside with the Muslims. The golden era of Jews in Europe was the era of Muslim Spain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVwuLDYONDA

Muslims ruled India through the use of violence where an estimated 100 million Indians paid a heavy price for staying with their religion.

Please provide some historical references so I can check the authenticity of the statement about supressed Indians under Muslim rulers in India.

I have presented some links or historical resources for you to read so, I am still waiting for a response.

[Harris]

In the history of Judaism if there were any supporters of Jews they were the Muslims. For example, when Spain had kicked out the Jews, they were the Muslim rulers who brought them back to Spain and created all facilities for them to prosper alongside with the Muslims. The golden era of Jews in Europe was the era of Muslim Spain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVwuLDYONDA


Please provide some historical references so I can check the authenticity of the statement about supressed Indians under Muslim rulers in India.

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/201...n-history/

Impact of Islamic conquest on Hindu religion[edit]
Medieval invasions on India led to killings of millions of Hindu men and women[29][27] and left a deep impact on social aspects and religions customs of Hindu population.
Until end of first millennium Hindu philosophy and traditions enjoyed a significant amount of flexibility and adaptability.[107] Research and representation of sex (viz. Kama Sutra and Khajuraho) was not a taboo. Debates of different religious and philosophical aspects were organized and cherished. Hindu sciences and research in Yoga, Ayurveda, Spiritual research, Mathematics[108] and Philosophy achieved great heights in this golden age.[109][110]
The invasions, wars, conversions, massacres and destruction of temples and universities led to social insecurity and political instability. With fall of Hindu kings, research of sciences and philosophy faced some setback due to lack of funding, royal support and open environment.[111][112] Many rituals and customs were restricted as a natural reaction of self defense and survival. The religious sects lost facility of debates and exchange of ideas.
Idols in numerous temples were unarmed, temples were desecrated.[113] Several ancient temples that were considered architectural masterpiece of those times were demolished.[114][115] This altered the architecture of the temples in the north and central India. The temples built in this era are found to be smaller, simpler, low cost and at times have adopted some Islamic architectural shapes as well.[116][117]
It is speculated that the flexible varna system that existed in India for centuries, slowly converted into the modern caste system by 15th century. The medieval era Islamic Sultanates in India utilized social stratification to rule and collect tax revenue from non-Muslims. Richard Eaton[118] states that, "Looking at Bengal's Hindu society as a whole, it seems likely that the caste system - far from being the ancient and unchanging essence of Indian civilization as supposed by generations of Orientalists - emerged into something resembling its modern form only in the period 1200-1500".
While Sanskrit language and research on Vedantic philosophy faced a period of struggle,[111][112] vernacular regional languages based on Sanskrit thrived. A lot of Vedantic literature got translated into these languages between 12th to 15th centuries.[119] The new customs that took place of age old rituals were mostly specific to local regions, languages and caste thereby dividing the Hindu community.

Do I really need to carry on? The bolded part is mine. So, Hindus were open to ideas, flexible and were leading the world in most things. However, when the muslim invaders came, that all changed and from that, was born a rotten system that is still used today. Are you still going to sit there and tell me that Islam is a "peaceful religion?" 

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/islamic-india-the-biggest-holocaust-in-world-history-whitewashed-from-history/

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/holocaust.asp

http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2014/04/muslims_slaughtered_100_million_hindus.html

http://www.saveindia.com/gautier.htm

Do you really want me to continue adding more links?

Your Mohammed is simply a warmongerer and if Jesus was real, Mohammed was the devil incarnate, or Shei'tan. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Saragarhi

It takes 10,000 muslims to kill 21 Sikhs. Shows how bad they really were in their wars. Moral of the story, if you are a muslim, don't piss off a Sikh.....:-D

Argument one
The websites you have offered do present some real historical facts. However, the authors have intentionally concealed certain truths to support Anti-Muslim propaganda. The objective of anti-Muslim propaganda is to deceitfully generate hate in people against Muslims who are in reality the most tormented community in today’s world. This propaganda is somewhat similar to the propaganda against Quran where authors quote partial verse by omitting part of it to distort its meaning and on the foundation of such perversion malign Quran with prejudice.

For example:

And slay them (non-Muslims) wherever ye catch them …

Al Baqarah (2)
-Verse 191-

Therefore, I politely refuse to approve any propaganda site for being an authentic and genuine historical source.

I think above few lines are adequate to retort however, I would not disappoint you by avoiding a proper response.

To repudiate heap of your random arguments, it is vital to present historical facts in their original structures the details of which are large and exhaustive. Explicitly, for this reason I will not try to refute any point that you have presented as a brute fact in an endeavour to demonstrate that Muslim Rulers in India were Tyrant rulers.

As an alternate, to address each and every point of your argument, I am giving you links to a lecture “Communalism and Hindu-Muslim Relation in India” delivered by a highly acclaimed Hindu scholar who is also the author of several books and winner of several prestigious awards.

Although there are numerous Indian Scholars and Historians (Hindus and Muslims) who have written in length about Hindu Muslim relations in India and provided proper academic references to support their scholarly work, I have selected this Hindu Scholar on purpose to avert any possible criticism that may arise in sceptic’s mind due to lack of his proper understanding pertinent to Indian history or based on suspicions that Muslim Scholar cannot be unbiased in presenting the historical facts.

Video links are at the end of this response.

Argument Two:
As on my part, I will give one counter argument on the foundation of few quotes from the book “Lessons in Non-violent Civil Disobedience” again written by a Hindu author “Arun J. Meha.”

Book Source:
https://www.foboko.com/ebook/12206/histo...his-legacy

Quote
To really appreciate the effect of British rule in India, we need to examine the condition of India before the British rule.

"I have travelled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such calibre, that do not think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self-esteem, their native culture and they will become what we want them, a truly dominant nation."
Lord Macaulay speech to British Parliament (2 February 1835) on the topic “The Architect of British Education in India”

"The British conquest of India was the invasion and destruction of a high civilization by a trading company utterly without scruple or principle, careless of art and greedy of gain, over-running with fire and sword a country temporarily disordered and helpless, bribing and murdering, annexing and stealing, and beginning their career of illegal and "legal" plunder which has now gone on ruthlessly for one hundred and seventy three years...
Will Durant, in "The Case for India", p5 1930

Macaulay and Will Durant were not alone in their admirations for the Indian culture and society.

"If I were to look over the whole world to find out the country most endowed with all the wealth, power, and beauty that nature can bestow - in some parts a very paradise on earth - I should point to India. If I were asked under what sky the human mind has most fully developed some of its choicest gifts, has most deeply pondered on the greatest problems of life, and has found solutions of some of them which will deserve the attention even of those who have studied Plato and Kant - I should point to India. And if I were to ask myself from what literature we, here in Europe, we who have been nurtured almost exclusively on the thoughts of Greeks and Romans, and of one Semitic race, the Jewish, may draw that corrective which is most wanted in order to make our inner life more perfect, more comprehensive, more universal, in fact more truly human, a life, not for this life only, but a transfigured and eternal life - again I should point to India."
F. Max Muller, KM, "India, what can it teach us?", p.6

"Whatever sphere of the human mind you may select for your special study, whether it be language, or religion, or mythology, or philosophy, whether it be laws or customs, primitive art or primitive science, everywhere, you have to go to India, whether you like it or not, because some of the most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India, and in India only."
F. Max Muller, KM, "India, what can it teach us?", p.15

"If a good system of agriculture, unrivalled manufacturing skill, a capacity to produce whatever can contribute to convenience or luxury; schools established in every village, for teaching, reading, writing and arithmetic; the general practice of hospitality and charity among each other; and above all, a treatment of the female sex, full of confidence, respect, and delicacy, are among the signs which denote a civilised people..."

Colonel Thomas Munro
Served in India for 32 years

Unquote
page 75 & 76

The critics of Muslim rulers should realise that if Muslim Rulers were tyrant and barbarous, then how comes British merchants and scholars who first entered in India were so impressed by the high morals of Indian nation which they have found to be the integral part of Indian culture and traditions and why Indians appeared to them so altruistic.

Argument Three:
And finally, here I present few facts about the Battle of Saragarhi which no propaganda site love to discuss.

At the end of 19th century British army had reached the borders of Afghanistan by going through North West Frontier Province (NWFP) which is part of Pakistan today. This region was under control of Pashtun and Afghan tribes who were fighting and resisting against the aggressions and hostility of British army against their people.

To suppress Pashtun resistance, British army took control over Samana Ridge in the Khurrum valley where they have posted Sikh soldiers on high mountain ridges by the order of their commanders Lt. Col. James Haughton and Capt. Gordon. There were total of 5 posts spread over 5 miles on the Samana Ridge.

British Army knew well in advance about the number of available Pashtuns and Afghans in the region, they were also aware about the fighting skills of Pashtun and Afghans, and also aware of the fact that any attack of tribesmen would isolate their posts and soldiers would left without any backup. That was the reason British Army decided to send Sikh soldiers instead of British to those posts.

British (Sikh) Soldiers were not only monitoring all actions of the Pashtuns from those high mountain posts but they were also creating big trouble for tribesmen in their efforts to repel British Army. In short Pashtuns were not fighting against handful number of Sikhs rather they were fighting against the British Army.

Regardless of the fact that Pashtuns were attacking in parties of several hundred men but being below the enemy they were getting heavy losses only by handful (Sikh) soldiers. Today this is a very common scenario in Afghan war.

Of course British (Sikh) Soldiers during on such attack were left without any access to a backup exactly in a way how British Generals had envisioned. Consequently, soon their stock of ammunition got consumed and they were left bare handed. Because Sikhs did not want to surrender, therefore subsequently they were killed by the overwhelming majority of Pashtuns and Afghans.

British army knew in advance that they are sending these Sikh soldiers on a suicidal mission therefore after those soldiers were killed, British government had announced high royal admirations for the killed soldiers and had given attractive compensations to their families in order to distract people’s attention from the truth and this way British army successfully hidden their crime.

All these and similar tricks are very well documented in the Protocols.

Here are the links to the lecture which present historical facts and details about the reality of Muslim Rulers in India.

Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r4h6tJeZ4Q

Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9aS5s_QbZI

[Harris]

So... in a nutshell, blame the Jews?

Still, I'm wondering if the Zionists are responsible for earthquakes, tsunamis, meteors, and other such natural evils, or for certain individuals' violent, anti-social behaviors that correlate directly to their neuro-physiology, not to mention, brain-eating amoebas.  Can you pin those on your immoral beasts too?  Because I can certainly think of a more likely candidate to blame, given your, dare I say, understanding? of the world.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-30896.html

[Harris]

Before you blame Muslims for anything just try to look closely at some brute historical facts. The calamities that you see in the Muslim world today are only a continuation of what the Christian world endured in a very recent past.

Jews are working exactly on the lines that are sketched in the Protocols. I firmly believe that the Protocols is a true Jewish plan.

You believe it because you HAVE to.  If your station in life is someone else's fault, then you don't have to take responsibility for your own progress in life.  You don't have to go to school, get a meaningful degree, etc.

Instead, you can grow your beard down to your waist, pretend to be a fighter for the purity of Islam, and tell yourself that it doesn't matter that you'll never have a woman, because there are 72 virgins waiting for you in heaven.  But that just shows you've never been with ONE virgin-- cuz it ain't much of a reward, I gotta say.

Seriously, dude, EVEN IF it's all the Jews, the question comes down to this-- what are you going to do with your life?  You gonna sit around your dole-supported flat with your thumb up your ass, or are you going to go out and try to make something of your life?  For a library card and a couple dollars in late charges, you could get an actual education and better yourself as a human being.

Thank you for giving sincere advices. I will think about them when I have some time.