Evangelicals and atheists agree....

[Arkilogue]

Trump is a dump.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/evangelical-m...soc_trk=ma
As conservative religious voters grapple with how to respond to an audio recording of Donald Trump lewdly boasting about groping women, Christianity Today, the flagship magazine of American evangelicalism, released on Monday a blistering critique of the GOP presidential nominee.

The editorial, written by executive editor Andy Crouch, was accompanied by a subtitle that minced no words: “Evangelicals, of all people, should not be silent about Donald Trump’s blatant immorality.”

For the magazine founded more than 50 years ago by famed evangelist Billy Graham as an alternative to mainline Christian publications, the editorial amounts to a grenade tossed into the presidential campaign. Roughly 70 percent of white evangelicals in the most recent Pew Research polls support Trump, and few conservative evangelical leaders have criticized him, even following the release of the recent tape.

As for Trump, Crouch says, “There is hardly any public person in America today who has more exemplified the ‘earthly nature’ … that Paul urges the Colossians to shed: ‘sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, and greed, which is idolatry’ (3:5). This is an incredibly apt summary of Trump’s life to date.”

“That Trump has been, his whole adult life, an idolater of this sort, and a singularly unrepentant one,” he continues, “should have been clear to everyone.”



What say you atheists, is Crouch right for the wrong reasons?

[henryp]

People realize it's bullshit, right? That he's not really bragging about groping women? They're pretty clearly talking in hyperbole about how women, in their experience, make themselves very sexually available to them.

It's tricky, because he's a bigger oranger weirder looking fatty now, so the idea of women throwing themselves at him doesn't seem real. But a Billionaire/Celebrity/Socialite in NY? It's not Mick Jagger in his prime, but I think it's fair to guess "pussy" has been offered up from ladies trying to get some of that money/fame on a very regular basis.

And it's all doubly bullshit on top of that, because guys wanting to have sex with girls isn't something that should be shamed to the point nobody is allowed to talk about it even in private. That's setting up a real nice Catholic Style system. The "rape culture" talk just distracts from the real issue, which is "rape biology." But instead of dealing with it from that perspective, we all have to pretend to be outraged by stuff like this, like everybody else is super respectful and only types "gentle missionary lovemaking" into their pornhub searches.

[Mister Agenda]

Atheists tend not to be big fans of adultery, either; though speaking for myself, it's not disqualifying on its own. Trump's 'body of work' disqualifies him, IMHO.

[Neo-Scholastic]

First, I'll go on the record as saying that Bill Clinton was one of the better president's during my lifetime despite being whatever he was privately. I don't care about the private lives of political leaders so long as they do the job they were elected to do. I also don't buy into the idea that "character matters" because as far as I can tell it hasn't yet.

[Catholic_Lady]

Never Trump, never Hilary

[Minimalist]

You're going to get one or the other.  Better hope it is the right one!

[Crossless2.0]

First, I'll go on the record as saying that Bill Clinton was one of the better president's during my lifetime despite being whatever he was privately. I don't care about the private lives of political leaders so long as they do the job they were elected to do. I also don't buy into the idea that "character matters" because as far as I can tell it hasn't yet.

I tend to agree with this. There don't seem to be many examples that come to mind that one might use to make a case for one's character (good or bad) predicting one's performance in an executive position. History is filled with ineffectual do-gooders, as well as great leaders who were Grade-A sons of bitches.

Clinton was a good president, despite his lack of character and judgement in private. FDR was hardly an angel privately, but he led the country through the Depression and WWII. Who would have thought that LBJ, of all people, would have signed the most significant civil rights legislation since Reconstruction -- not to mention having initiated Medicare? 

I deplore the 24/7 news cycle and what it's done to erode the distinction between private and public. Does it really serve any of us to have every election cycle turn into a shit-fest over who is most Jesus-y and who is banging his private secretary? It's just bread and circuses that distract everyone from the issues and real policy differences between the candidates and parties. Trump is an asshole. I didn't need this latest 'revelation' to come to that conclusion. But I would vote for an asshole if I thought he/she was the best person for the job.

Of course, in Trump's case, he isn't.