How important are each of Haight's Five Foundations of Morality to you?

[Whateverist]

I just watched the video. Fascinating!

The part at the end sounds just like my passionate insistence that morality is entirely subjective. There aren't good and bad actions. There are judgements of actions. You need to try and convince people of why your system is better. What are you trying to achieve? Why is that important? How are you achieving it? The biggest problem is to simply assume anyone who doesn't agree with what you think morality (broadly) is, must be excluded from the discussion. You enter an echo chamber. This is why I always start from first principles.

Coming back to the fifth area, purity, I'm still rather confused. It's pragmatic to feed your body with healthy, "pure" things, and to do wholesome activities. This doesn't seem to have much to do with morality, but rather managing your health. I find the concepts of purity and sanctity to be dogmatic; labels which are put on certain things in order to remove them from criticism or discussion. Maybe there's more going on here than I'm understanding.

My initial reaction was exactly the same about purity until I linked it to authenticity.  Thump talks about having a "bull shit detector".  People who can't pass it probably aren't being truthful with you, have a hidden agenda or are just compulsive about winning approval. One way to say it is they aren't being genuine.  I think this is a perfectly reasonable application of "purity" which has nothing to do with holiness.  And I find that it is already there in my moral judgement regardless of what I may think about it.  I judge myself poorly when I hold back to protect someone's feelings and my opinion of others is definitely affected by it.  It definitely is an aspect of moral behavior.

[robvalue]

Hmm, I see

Yes, being honest and genuine is very important to me. I guess I'll raise this up to a B then

[brewer]

Got around to watching the Ted talk. I took from it is that it's not necessarily a good thing to be all one or the other. So what do I affiliate myself with? Liberal, sometimes but not really. Conservative, I don't exactly fit that mold either. Middleist? Yinyangian? 

I think I'll stay me and choose the affiliation dependent on the circumstance or condition. [edit] FlipFlopyest!

[Whateverist]

Hmm, I see

Yes, being honest and genuine is very important to me. I guess I'll raise this up to a B then

Now that's the authentic Rob I've come to know and love.  

[Angrboda]

Coming back to the fifth area, purity, I'm still rather confused. It's pragmatic to feed your body with healthy, "pure" things, and to do wholesome activities. This doesn't seem to have much to do with morality, but rather managing your health. I find the concepts of purity and sanctity to be dogmatic; labels which are put on certain things in order to remove them from criticism or discussion. Maybe there's more going on here than I'm understanding.

The way that I've had it explained is, supposing you're eating some pudding. It's good clean food, right. But suppose you drop some on your shirt. Then it's no longer food, it's made your shirt dirty. Same pudding, just a different viewpoint.

[Whateverist]

Coming back to the fifth area, purity, I'm still rather confused. It's pragmatic to feed your body with healthy, "pure" things, and to do wholesome activities. This doesn't seem to have much to do with morality, but rather managing your health. I find the concepts of purity and sanctity to be dogmatic; labels which are put on certain things in order to remove them from criticism or discussion. Maybe there's more going on here than I'm understanding.

The way that I've had it explained is, supposing you're eating some pudding.  It's good clean food, right.  But suppose you drop some on your shirt.  Then it's no longer food, it's made your shirt dirty.   Same pudding, just a different viewpoint.

Context dependence, perfect for a flippyfloppist like mhBrewer.  *holds back a snarky laugh*

The take away for me is a win for subjectivism in morality.  No one builds their moral boat from scratch and we're all already out to sea by the time you take that introductory Ethics class and hatch that grand theme.  Morality is definitely one of the things that will make you question free will.  Free to run the programming that's already running?  Sure, we're at least that free.  To me morality is more a matter of discovery than a shopping trip or construction process.

[Whateverist]

A A B B C for me.

Care/Harm: Really, on some level, isn't this the entire fucking point of morality?
Fairness/Reciprocity: Really, just the logical growth of Care/Harm.
InGroup/Loyalty: Okay in small doses, but can easily become a very dangerous thing indeed.
Authority: The way I see it, trusting in authorities is okay if you've scrutinised them beforehand and have found them reasonably trustworthy. That said, there are very few in power who actually are.
Purity: Is for drinking water, not people.

From my point of view (and apparently that of many other's) Fairness/Reciprocity is as compelling in its own right as Care/Harm.  I guess you're thinking that Fairness/Reciprocity is always concerned with equity in bestowing care or avoiding harm.  But I think the impulse to protect or nurture is pretty distinct from the impulse to reciprocate fairly, at least they feel distinct.  

Anytime you analyze something like moral experience into categories you'll find excesses both of lumping and of splitting, but we won't always agree on which are the more egregious.  I think there are interesting ways in which the others are related as well.  For example, for the way I interpret them, InGroup/Loyalty and Purity/Sanctity seem almost opposite.

The biggest take away for me it to reflect on how people who experience morality differently than I and would probably rank the five moral dimensions differently, don't do so because they've made some mistake in calculation.  In the same way, the people who are more similar to me and I didn't get any calculation right.  We are just moved/affected by human interactions differently.  The video suggests that all five were necessary in our evolution/development.  I think that is an interesting hypothesis.

[brewer]

Context dependence, perfect for a flippyfloppist like mhBrewer.  *hold back a snarky laugh*

Changed my mind. I now align and identify with Flipidiot.

[Whateverist]

Wait, is that what you're calling your gender now?

[brewer]

Wait, is that what you're calling your gender now?

Only when my cloths are off and there are no mirrors in the room.