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RE: Why Trump has won
November 9, 2016 at 1:09 pm
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(November 9, 2016 at 9:25 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Trump won because of a large amount of bigots voting. Just like with Brexit.
This post I made got plenty of kudos, and it's appreciated.
Although according to some posters over at the Another Necropost This Here When I'm Right Thread thread this opinion makes me just as bigoted as the bigoted Trump and Brexit voters. And apparently thinking many of the voters are like this is fine but thinking most of them are is too many. Like, sure 50% is fine but 51% makes me just as much of a bigot.
Some people really struggle with logic.
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RE: Why Trump has won
November 9, 2016 at 1:10 pm
Because he loves me and I have a personal relationship with him!
I hope this drama runs it's course soon.
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RE: Why Trump has won
November 9, 2016 at 1:11 pm
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(November 9, 2016 at 9:32 am)Crossless1 Wrote: Trump got one thing right. Neither party understood the degree to which people feel alienated from and contemptuous of Washington and 'business as usual'. He and Sanders tapped into that anger, though in very different ways.
Because it's like this Trump knows how to speak to people like you're mad over worked and you want jobs and you're angry at the government.
While Hillary runs a attack campaign with Trump said grab her by the pussy or he mocked disabled reporter etc. What it really came down to is Attack ads
they don't even really even work anymore in this case. Even during the presidential debate all he had to say was Email servers and classified information and
ill work for the people and there he fucking won. Hillary ran a campaign with a slogan i'm with her and unity that's all fine and dandy and all but you should
have thrown something in there about i'll work for you. If she ran a campaign that was for helping the people and had a slogan that was for helping the people
they could have won otherwise yep we this.
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RE: Why Trump has won
November 9, 2016 at 1:11 pm
He won because he was chosen by God.
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RE: Why Trump has won
November 9, 2016 at 1:13 pm
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(November 9, 2016 at 12:27 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Trump has won the election because the voters felt like he wasn't part of the establishment and wasn't your run of the mill politician - they think he will bring around real change. Whether that actually happens or not, we'll just have to wait and see.
And what these people fail to understand is that change can be both positive and negative. "Change" isn't some buzzword for good things.
Change can be for the worst and the statement that it can't get any worse is very mistaken... it can always get worse in this world.
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RE: Why Trump has won
November 9, 2016 at 1:14 pm
(November 9, 2016 at 1:11 pm)Iroscato Wrote: He won because he was chosen by God.
Well his (im)morals certainly do fall rather in line with the Old Testament that's for fucking sure.
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RE: Why Trump has won
November 9, 2016 at 1:17 pm
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Another problem with the view with Trump being anti-establishment is the fact that he's the president of the establishment now and the fact that many people think the establishment fucks things up doesn't mean that having the worst possible person in power to 'shake things up' isn't really going to 'shake' things up but is in fact going to fuck things up far worse than any other president ever has and far worse than the establishment normally fucks things up.
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RE: Why Trump has won
November 9, 2016 at 1:21 pm
(November 9, 2016 at 12:27 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Trump has won the election because the voters felt like he wasn't part of the establishment and wasn't your run of the mill politician - they think he will bring around real change. Whether that actually happens or not, we'll just have to wait and see. Yeah, he'll effect change.
Quote:But wait: Isn’t Trump opposed to “entitlement reform,” and isn’t that what the Ryan budget is about? Actually, Trump is opposed to Social Security benefit cuts. Republicans in Congress haven’t seriously talked about messing with Social Security since George W. Bush’s disastrous partial-privatization effort in 2005. And as much as Republicans would like to privatize Medicare benefits, their base is far too old to countenance significant Medicare cuts without Democratic “cover,” which is precisely why “entitlement reform” was so central to every Republican “deal” offered to Barack Obama.
So that is why Trump and congressional Republicans should be able to cheerfully, even gleefully, agree to pay for their tax cuts and their Pentagon spending from programs that benefit not their base, but that of the hated Democrats. And Ryan’s already basically written it all up, repeatedly.
But speed and quick marginalization of those hated opponents will be essential. That is why, as Paul Ryan told us all in early October, he has long planned to use the budget reconciliation process — where there is no filibuster available in the Senate — to enact his entire budget in one bill.Again, a bill that cannot be filibustered. He referred to it, appropriately, as a bazooka in his pocket. And while there are some things you cannot do in a reconciliation bill, there aren’t many of them: Congressional Republicans did a trial run last year (nobody paid much attention, because they knew Barack Obama would veto it), and it aimed at crippling Obamacare, defunding Planned Parenthood, and disabling regulators, in addition to the nasty surprises for poor people mentioned above.
As my colleague Jonathan Chait has explained, Senate Republicans are almost certain to move (as would Democrats in the same situation) to complete the demolition of the filibuster Harry Reid began in 2013 when he eliminated the obstructionist procedure for executive and judicial (other than the Supreme Court) confirmation votes.
So is there anything that could stand in the way of this Un-Great Society blitz? Well, sure: the unpredictability of Donald Trump. Presumably when the celebrations and the theater of a Trump Triumphant subsides, he will sit down with Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell to cut a deal. What they will want is his signature on that reconciliation bill. What he will want beyond the things in that bill that he and his supporters want, too, is unclear. But what is clear is that if he gives the GOP, in one stroke of the pen, the counterrevolution they have dreamed of for so long, the GOP will give its unlikely president extraordinary freedom to work his will on the world via diplomacy and executive actions.
So, you can watch poor Americans grow poorer, pay more taxes, lose jobs, lose healthcare, pollute our environment, let the hated corpraions run even more rampant all over us while raising prices, and stripping away basic rights against discrimination based on ethnicity, religion, etc.
We are literally very likely to go back to 1960. Race riots here we come? I hope not, but it isn't impossible. I don't even think it's improbable.
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RE: Why Trump has won
November 9, 2016 at 1:22 pm
(November 9, 2016 at 12:25 pm)Fireball Wrote: The people of America have demonstrated that a simple majority of us is really that stupid. Our household recognized what a buffoon Trump is at the first debate. We're all just shaking our heads in disbelief, at this point. Shee-IT this is disappointing.
Did you think that 4 years ago?
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RE: Why Trump has won
November 9, 2016 at 1:24 pm
(November 9, 2016 at 1:10 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Because he loves me and I have a personal relationship with him!
I hope this drama runs it's course soon.
Don't count on it.
Is the Brexit drama running it's course quickly or just getting worse?
Yeah, this will be that, times 1,000. Because he won't stop making the drama.
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