Who is to blame.

[vorlon13]

[vorlon13]

There's the one that did it, if you want to focus on just one of the ten thousand self inflicted paper cuts that doomed her.

[The Grand Nudger]

So is the wall still happening or what?

If by "happening" you mean being built...or keeping out mexican drugs and rapists...then no, ofc not.

If, however, you mean "happening" in the same sense as the last border fence, as being half assed, specifically to provide photo opportunities, grift, and payouts to interested and supportive parties........

-then yes, ofc, we never stopped building that wall. We've been throwing a few hundred thousand dollars per inch at it for a decade. I expect we'll have it done just the other side of never.

[vorlon13]

Upon reflection, the best missed chance to save would have been kicking Donna Brazile to the curb when she showed up with the debate questions.

And if CNN goes under, that cluster fuck would have been the smoking gun.

[vorlon13]

And here's a simple analysis as to how a just as bad Trump still won:

Just as bad yes, but different. Electorate is sick of Hillary's problems, failings, inadequacies, shortcomings, arrogance, disingenuousness, lies, corruption and cluelessness, even if a total failure, Trump will fail DIFFERENTLY than Hillary already had.

[Napoléon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

[scoobysnack]

I'll be honest I kind of pitty those who are flabbergasted and in shock that Trump won. It shows how disconnected from reality you really are that you didn't see this result coming to fruition after everything that's been going on in the world. And really political correctness where the truth is forbidden is to blame. That's why this flew under everyone's radar. No one could tell it like it was, and people hid the truth for fear of having their reputations tarnished, or simply called a bigot because they didn't adhere to officially accepted narrative the left was pushing down everyone's throats. This should really convince some of you to do some self reflection and wonder if you really understand what's going on in the world. Brexit, and Trump are a response and if you don't get it, you are living in a bubble. The more you called us names, the more unified we became, because in the end the vast majority of us are not bigots, but it was you who were convinced we were and stopped listening to what we were trying to tell you because you had your minds made up that are opinions were invalid.

Trump's win should only be shocking to those who don't really understand how far things have gone downhill. You unleashed the beast, and really disqualified yourselves to the point no one was taking your seriously anymore. 50 million people stood up to the bully left and decided were not going to let you tell us what to think and say. Were done with the bull shit.

[The Grand Nudger]

Exactly why I didn't vote for Hillary, and I keep telling people the same thing....they ignored the reality of the situation, that Trumps message appealed to bigots and there were enough bigots to elect him....far north of the mason dixon, even -in- their little "blue wall"...as the following footage of a wisconsin trump rally plainly shows;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DFojKwVfq4

[vorlon13]

bigots?

million fewer votes than Romney and doubled his numbers with Black and Latinos and a huge block of folks that voted for Obama stayed away from the polls. And I'd say the democrat stay at homes that greased the skids for Trump aren't quite the slavering pitchfork and torch carrying bunch implied in the term.

[crosses arms, taps toe, and wonders if I'm missing something, or somebody else is]

[The Grand Nudger]

You must not be familiar with how hilariously racist and bigoted blacks and latinos can be.  I'm sure that the puerto ricans and cubans loved the idea of getting rid of the mexicans, to say nothing of those fucking muslims!  They keep getting mistaken for those sons of bitches, it's infuriating!  Same story with at least some blacks...though, it seems like they just stayed home this time.

(lol, you're never gonna stump me on this one Vor, I was raised on the cup of bigoted ideology, and buddy..there's more than just one vintage to choose from)