How Much Evidence Will It Take You To Believe In God???

[I_am_not_mafia]

The big bang still needs a cause, case unresolved.

All causes are merely a re-arrangement of matter and energy. The Big Bang is all space-time and energy in one particular condensed state.

Sure, feel free to say that your god put it in that state if it makes you happy, but it makes your god utterly irrelevant if that's all he did. Because we can explain most of what happened after the Big Bang. And your explanation of goddidit has no explanatory power and is not useful in the slightest. How did he do it? How did your god come about?

Saying goddidit is just a way of avoiding asking questions.

[Crossless2.0]

Credulity.

I am also commanded to rebuke on the right situation. 

Watch yourselves. If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. Luke 17:3

And I am commanded to pointlessly free associate in the right situation.

Song of Solomon 4:1-7

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How beautiful you are, my darling!
Oh, how beautiful!
Your eyes behind your veil are doves.
Your hair is like a flock of goats
descending from the hills of Gilead.
Your teeth are like a flock of sheep just shorn,
coming up from the washing.
Each has its twin;
not one of them is alone.
Your lips are like a scarlet ribbon;
your mouth is lovely.
Your temples behind your veil
are like the halves of a pomegranate.
Your neck is like the tower of David,
built with courses of stone ;
on it hang a thousand shields,
all of them shields of warriors.
Your breasts are like two fawns,
like twin fawns of a gazelle
that browse among the lilies.
Until the day breaks
and the shadows flee,
I will go to the mountain of myrrh
and to the hill of incense.
You are altogether beautiful, my darling;
there is no flaw in you.

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"Song of Myself" -- Walt Whitman

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Clear and sweet is my soul, and clear and sweet is all that is not my soul.
 
Lack one lacks both, and the unseen is proved by the seen,
Till that becomes unseen and receives proof in its turn.
 
Showing the best and dividing it from the worst age vexes age,
Knowing the perfect fitness and equanimity of things, while they discuss I am silent, and go bathe and admire myself.
 
Welcome is every organ and attribute of me, and of any man hearty and clean,
Not an inch nor a particle of an inch is vile, and none shall be less familiar than the rest.
 
I am satisfied—I see, dance, laugh, sing;
As the hugging and loving bed-fellow sleeps at my side through the night, and withdraws at the peep of the day with stealthy tread,
Leaving me baskets cover’d with white towels swelling the house with their plenty,
Shall I postpone my acceptation and realization and scream at my eyes,
That they turn from gazing after and down the road,
And forthwith cipher and show me to a cent,
Exactly the value of one and exactly the value of two, and which is ahead?

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"I Touch Myself" by Divinyls

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I love myself, I want you to love me
When I'm feeling down, I want you above me
I search myself, I want you to find me
I forget myself, I want you to remind me

I don't want anybody else
When I think about you, I touch myself
Oh, I don't want anybody else, oh, no
Oh, no, oh, no

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And, finally, Divine

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEGK4goaUZ0

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And there you have it. Stray from acceptable Biblical norms, and you go down a road of narcissism and homosexuality, masturbation, and *shudder* shellfish!

Thus sayeth the Lord.

[Astreja]

Please tell me how you know you're atheism is true.  Please tell me why any of us should adopt your opinion as the truth.

It's true simply because it's an accurate reflection of what I actually perceive -- a lack of sufficiently-convincing evidence for gods.

[Minimalist]

You're wrong because you're you and you've never been right.

Why?

I suspect it is because you give credence to ancient horseshit.  I expect no better from jesus freak assholes, though.

[pocaracas]

All causes are merely a re-arrangement of matter and energy. The Big Bang is all space-time and energy in one particular condensed state.

Tiny caveat: the big bang is all space-time and energy in our universe, in one particular condensed state.

[Cyberman]

Interesting... everything (or nearly enough) you said about porn I can say about horror movies, or "action" movies where you see people dying and being dismembered and whatnot.

I could say much the same about the fucking bible; particularly the "it immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world" part.

[Mister Agenda]

Atheism is not an opinion, it is a state of mind. The state of not having a belief that any supernatural deities are literally real. Atheists have opinions, but atheism is not itself an opinion. Neither is theism, which is the opposite state of mind. It is a fact that you are a theist, and it is a fact that I am an atheists. That what evidence there is for the existence of God is sufficient or insufficient is an opinion that largely depends on how high you raise the bar of skepticism before you'll believe it is true. I'm an atheist because I am a skeptic. I used to believe all sorts of things, just about everything: ESP, ghosts, ancient astronauts, miracles, you name it. After seeing some of those things faked, I became more skeptical, and developed an interest in critical thinking and skepticism. The belief in God was one of the last low-evidence things I stopped believing in, because I was raise to think that belief was critically important, but there was only so long that I could apply a different standard to that belief than I applied to all the other ones.

It's my opinion that you have not made your case to a degree that would sufficiently justify rational acceptance of it. How do you think your employment of the tu quoque fallacy of 'you're just stating opinions!' is going to change that? For someone desperate to convert me, you seem awfully attached to your pre-chosen approach of thinking you don't have to learn anything from us or believe anything we say in order to reach us. Wouldn't someone who really wants to reach me treat me with love and respect rather than condescension and contempt?

Okay. Then I have a request of you. I would like you to give me a better explanation for moral absolutes than God.  I will propose a moral absolute to you.  I would like you to demonstrate how the no God position is a better explanation for the moral absolute.  "It is always wrong for people to torture babies to death merely for their personal pleasure." Can you please tell me how that moral absolute gains its validity in an atheistic worldview?  I would say that an atheistic worldview, particularly in a Christian one, God has given us morals which are a reflection of his character. Because we are made in his image (Genesis 1: 26), we recognize what is right and wrong because the law of God is written on our hearts (Romans 1: 18).

Are you changing the subject because you realize you've been mistaken on the tack you've been taking and don't have the integrity to admit it, or are you just throwing out a red herring to evade dealing with my statements?

Still haven't looked up 'Argument from Ignorance', I see.

[Cyberman]

Well, You tell us that there is "absolutely no evidence of any supernatural intervention" in the universe. Really? How do you know that? Have you examined all evidence in all places?

I have.

[Mister Agenda]

Since you are too intellectually lazy and incurious to read a Wikipedia article on the topic: The Big Bang or Initial Expansion describes what happened when the previous state of affairs, a hot, dense, energetic, compressed universe; suddenly started expanding and eventually formed the universe we find ourselves in. The theory doesn't describe why the universe expanded, how long it was in its previous state; whether a moment or an eternity or in-between; but what it does describe is based on astronomical observations and it has been confirmed by finding additional phenomena that the theory predicted we would find if it's true. It's not a theory of ultimate origin. We do not have the physics to describe with certainty what preceded the 'Big Bang'. We have plausible hypotheses, almost too many of them, and as yet no way to confirm which, if any of them, are true. The BBT doesn't try explain what you seem to think it does.

Exactly, my point is the big bang theory fails to give us where all this matter came from? How it exploded and created all this order and laws in the universe? Why it exploded? If the Big Bang is true, then how did it happen?  Would you say that out of nothing came something; that when nothing existed, somehow something came into existence?  Or would you say that the Big Bang has no explanation "yet;" but that, by faith, some scientist in the future will prove how it happened, even though it violates the laws of known physics?

How exactly can a theory fail to explain what it's not trying to explain? The theory explains astronomical findings that indicate certain facts about the early state of the universe. It's not a theory of the origin of energy, so it can't fail at being that theory when it's not supposed to explain that in the first place. It's like saying the Germ Theory of Disease fails at explaining gravity.

We don't actually know the ultimate origin of the state of the universe that preceded the Big Bang, and we may never know. The only honest thing a mere mortal can say honestly on the topic is 'I don't know'. If some hypothesis or another seems more convincing to you, you can be forgiven for leaning in that direction; but it would be arrogant to think you know it for a fact.

And again, please investigate 'Argument from Ignorance'.

[Mister Agenda]

I am not a troll but here to give a logical and reasonable arguments. You are raising false accusations against me, just as Jesus was falsely accused. Therefore you are lying even further.

Comparing yourself to Jesus? Really? Why not compare yourself to Bozo? He got laughed at too. That lack of humility thing again I suppose.