Trump won the white working-man vote..

[Minimalist]

Slow down there purveyor of fictitious facts.

He's our resident Goebbels.

[Pat Mustard]

Oh, yeah, it's totally the fault of the people that didn't like either candidate.  These people and their thinking that they shouldn't be forced election after election to choose between a douche and a turd sandwich.  They should just shut up and pick an asshole.  It's the American way, after all.

It had nothing to do with Hillary being a lying corporate shill.  It had nothing to do with her being an establishment politician in the pocket of Wall St.  It had nothing to do with her inability to connect to rural voters.  It had nothing to do with Hillary giving Wasserman-Schulz a job after she got caught trying to rig the primary.  It had nothing to do with her poor handling of classified information.

You can go ahead and keep blaming third party voters.  But you may as well just extend Trump's lease on the White House for four more years.

I don't blame you completely, just in part. And you can deny it all you want, just like Nader supporters still live in denial over aiding George W. Bush in getting elected in 2000. But it's okay, there are hundreds of thousands of dead people to remind them. 

There was an obvious choice to be made here and you helped Trump get elected. Suck it up and accept that you threw your vote away on someone who had absolutely zero chance to win jackshit. Hell, jackshit is infinitely more than any Johnson or Stein won, or had a chance to win. 

Most people don't always like either candidate, but they understand that often there is a lesser of two evils, and so they vote for the lesser and hope for the best. Neither Stein, nor Johnson ever stood a chance of appointing a SCOTUS justice, but Hillary did. Talk all your "corporate shill" bullshit until the cows come home, but now Trump is putting at least one, probably two, maybe even three justices on the Supreme Court. 

But hey, at least you voted your conscience.

The Greens didn't lose the election for Gore in 2000. That election was lost on three counts, a) the republitards committed treason by stealing the vote in Florida (a treason so successful they did it nationally in 2004 and 2016, and tried it for both Obama wins), b) the Supreme Cort committed a further treason by their retroactive legitimisation of the vote stealing and appointing Shrub the figurehead of the conspiracy as President, and finally c) Gore and the DNC being too much of a bunch of wussies to stand up to this blatant criminality and instead bullying an innocent third party into taking the blame.

The Dems won't have power in the US again until they realise the republitards are in the process of permanently rigging the game and they start fighting it tooth and nail.

[Kosh]

I don't blame you completely, just in part. And you can deny it all you want, just like Nader supporters still live in denial over aiding George W. Bush in getting elected in 2000. But it's okay, there are hundreds of thousands of dead people to remind them. 

There was an obvious choice to be made here and you helped Trump get elected. Suck it up and accept that you threw your vote away on someone who had absolutely zero chance to win jackshit. Hell, jackshit is infinitely more than any Johnson or Stein won, or had a chance to win. 

Most people don't always like either candidate, but they understand that often there is a lesser of two evils, and so they vote for the lesser and hope for the best. Neither Stein, nor Johnson ever stood a chance of appointing a SCOTUS justice, but Hillary did. Talk all your "corporate shill" bullshit until the cows come home, but now Trump is putting at least one, probably two, maybe even three justices on the Supreme Court. 

But hey, at least you voted your conscience.

The Greens didn't lose the election for Gore in 2000. That election was lost on three counts, a) the republitards committed treason by stealing the vote in Florida (a treason so successful they did it nationally in 2004 and 2016, and tried it for both Obama wins), b) the Supreme Cort committed a further treason by their retroactive legitimisation of the vote stealing and appointing Shrub the figurehead of the conspiracy as President, and finally c) Gore and the DNC being too much of a bunch of wussies to stand up to this blatant criminality and instead bullying an innocent third party into taking the blame.

The Dems won't have power in the US again until they realise the republitards are in the process of permanently rigging the game and they start fighting it tooth and nail.

Or their base dies off to the point and hits the threshold of no return.  The 18-29 yr olds aren't buying their snake oil.  It's old white men that are pussies and don't feel safe without a loaded gun under their pillow.  It's old white women who are married to the above mentioned old white men that can't come up with an opinion of their own volition.  What do both have in common..  Not long for this Earth.

[Napoléon]

No one has to assume anything about a Trump voter.  They voted trump.  Whatever it is they rationalize their vote for, they still voted trump, who openly campaigned on bigotry and racism.  Whatever they wanted to get that was part of his campaign not related to that, or whatever they wanted to  avoid (say, some hillary)...the bigotry and racism was an acceptable trade off for it.

That's pretty damned bigoted, well and truly fucking racist

You're ignoring the fact their interpretation of his campaign might not be the racist one you portray.

If someone voted for Trump it's quite possible they didn't believe it was a 'racist campaign', despite whether it was or wasn't. To tarnish every voter a racist and ignore this is just irresponsible. It makes you no better than the wilfully ignorant racists you're trying to call Trump supporters.

[The Grand Nudger]

Accidental racists?  LOL I'm already familiar with the phenomena. Somebody says or does something blatanly racists and then says "what was racist about that?" Well ofc they're oblivious, they're fucking racists.

I'm not tarnishing anyone Nap, they're the ones who cast that vote.   As I keep saying, if the bad thing™ is pointing out racism, rather than being racist...I don't care. I'm going to do it anyway, no matter how much you or any given racist whines about it.

[Faith No More]

Yeah, all they have to do is believe that the guy that re-tweeted white supremacists over 75 times during his campaign wasn't running a racist campaign, and that makes it okay.

So the defense is that not all of them are racist. Some of them are just stupid.

[Kosh]

No one has to assume anything about a Trump voter.  They voted trump.  Whatever it is they rationalize their vote for, they still voted trump, who openly campaigned on bigotry and racism.  Whatever they wanted to get that was part of his campaign not related to that, or whatever they wanted to  avoid (say, some hillary)...the bigotry and racism was an acceptable trade off for it.

That's pretty damned bigoted, well and truly fucking racist

You're ignoring the fact their interpretation of his campaign might not be the racist one you portray.

If someone voted for Trump it's quite possible they didn't believe it was a 'racist campaign', despite whether it was or wasn't. To tarnish every voter a racist and ignore this is just irresponsible. It makes you no better than the wilfully ignorant racists you're trying to call Trump supporters.

I'll agree with you in principle that they aren't ALL racist.  Is it possible to be "somewhat" or "a little" racist vs full blown white supremacist?  I'd throw my parents in the "little bit" category if that's even possible.  They would never say anything overt in public or call a black person the N word, but behind closed doors they let their guard down a little.

My biggest issue with Republicans right now is their apparent love fest for the Donald.  I can totally understand if they held their noses and cast a vote for Trump because they hated Hillary so much.  If most of them would come out with the opinion of, "We got you elected to stop Hillary, now knock off the bullshit and do your job".  But no..  They trotted out 18 candidates for president and let the dullest lightbulbs in the drawer pick their candidate, and now he's the greatest thing ever.

This forum would have one tenth the post had they actually elected a decent human like Jeb Bush.  There would be no protest.  Republicans are so stupid.

[John V]

Or their base dies off to the point and hits the threshold of no return.  The 18-29 yr olds aren't buying their snake oil.  It's old white men that are pussies and don't feel safe without a loaded gun under their pillow.  It's old white women who are married to the above mentioned old white men that can't come up with an opinion of their own volition.  What do both have in common..  Not long for this Earth.

A lot of old realists used to be young idealists. You're assuming that today's young adults won't change in their world view over time, and that's not a safe assumption to make.

[The Grand Nudger]

Plenty of the current crop of geriatrics were hippies once.  One of my trump voting family members was. Getting old has an effect on people, lol.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I agree, which is why I voted 3rd party, as you all know.

But that doesn't mean people who see it differently are not bothered by the worst things about the candidate they very begrudgingly voted for.

I don't see why holding their priorities up in their face is such a problem. The fact is that even if every single Trump voter voted that way out of Hillary-hate rather than bigotry, their votes gave the stamp of approval to Trump's bigotry. Myself, I think that's an entirely fair point to make: their votes may have enabled this idiot to stack the court with justices who are too willing to roll back the social progress we've made in the last 70 years.

Trump's racism stands a very real chance of affecting my son, my nephew, my two nieces, my brother-in-law. Anyone who could hold their nose over Trump's racism and vote for him anyways owns a share of any rollback in rights he may lead. They have, after all, voted for it, whether they like it or not.