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RE: Hilary wanted to rig the Palestian elections
December 20, 2016 at 12:17 am
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(December 19, 2016 at 11:43 pm)CanOfMountainDew Wrote: (December 19, 2016 at 4:54 am)pool the great Wrote: Okay, is there some actual proof that it was Russia that did the hacking?
There is, in fact, not.
Sadly a lot of people tune into fake news
You're about as ignorant of computer forensics as Trump is, eh? Attacks can be traced, sometimes with great precision.
But do carry on bloviating from ignorance. It's so cute.
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RE: Hilary wanted to rig the Palestian elections
December 20, 2016 at 12:21 am
(December 20, 2016 at 12:17 am)Chas Wrote: (December 19, 2016 at 11:43 pm)CanOfMountainDew Wrote: There is, in fact, not.
Sadly a lot of people tune into fake news
You're about as ignorant of computer forensics as Trump is, eh? Attacks can be traced, sometimes with great precision.
But do carry on bloviating from ignorance. It's so cute.
You're arguing against a position that I don't hold, nor have professed to hold. You're senile.
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RE: Hilary wanted to rig the Palestian elections
December 20, 2016 at 12:31 am
You had best learn to express yourself more clearly, COMD, because that is exactly what you sound like.
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RE: Hilary wanted to rig the Palestian elections
December 20, 2016 at 1:03 am
(December 20, 2016 at 12:31 am)Minimalist Wrote: You had best learn to express yourself more clearly, COMD, because that is exactly what you sound like.
It's not on me that you imagine your detractors positions.
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RE: Hilary wanted to rig the Palestian elections
December 20, 2016 at 5:41 am
I just think blaming the Russia bashing allows the Democrats to avoid taking about their failures. This is the same CIA that told us there were nuclear weapons in Iraq, you know WMDs. Should we really be putting so much faith in the "anonymous sources" the media loves to use?
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RE: Hilary wanted to rig the Palestian elections
December 20, 2016 at 11:56 am
(December 20, 2016 at 5:41 am)ReptilianPeon Wrote: I just think blaming the Russia bashing allows the Democrats to avoid taking about their failures. This is the same CIA that told us there were nuclear weapons in Iraq, you know WMDs. Should we really be putting so much faith in the "anonymous sources" the media loves to use?
(insert conspiracy music)
are you seriously arguing that if the CIA got something wrong once there never top be believed that sounds like a creationist saying well science was wrong about x therefore all science must be wrong
as for Iraq the CIA only said there might be WMD or there was evidence suggesting there might be WMD's it was the Bush administration who cherry picked and exaggerated the findings even after many in the intel community opposed the findings
Lastly you realize most intelligence sources are Anonymous
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RE: Hilary wanted to rig the Palestian elections
December 20, 2016 at 11:59 am
(December 20, 2016 at 1:03 am)CanOfMountainDew Wrote: (December 20, 2016 at 12:31 am)Minimalist Wrote: You had best learn to express yourself more clearly, COMD, because that is exactly what you sound like.
It's not on me that you imagine your detractors positions.
You keep kidding yourself, then.
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RE: Hilary wanted to rig the Palestian elections
December 20, 2016 at 12:02 pm
(December 19, 2016 at 4:54 am)pool the great Wrote: Okay, is there some actual proof that it was Russia that did the hacking?
There's plenty of evidence indicating this, yes.
http://time.com/4600177/election-hack-ru...ald-trump/
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/mo...esidential
http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/...for-trump/
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RE: Hilary wanted to rig the Palestian elections
December 20, 2016 at 1:22 pm
Uygur's story does not make a lot of sense.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...00372.html
From the WaPo story published at the time it is clear that this was the Palestinian-called election which the US had nothing to do with. The Israelis, at their heavy-handed best, interfered to the point that they made Hamas look like the victims and probably assured them a majority in the parliament.
Clinton at the time was a Democratic senator from NY so you know she wasn't criticizing Israel because that's just not done so it seems that her target was either the Bush Administration, which reacted this way quoting Condoleeza Rice:
Quote:The election results stunned U.S. and Israeli officials, who have repeatedly stated that they would not work with a Palestinian Authority that included Hamas, which both countries and the European Union have designated as a terrorist organization. In Washington, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said that a party could not "have one foot in politics and the other in terror. Our position on Hamas has therefore not changed."
or she was criticizing Mahmoud Abbas who was much closer to the situation and should have read the tea leaves better before calling the election. Or, she was criticizing both.... which makes the most sense.
In any case, it should have been a warning for the later Arab Spring horseshit that when you give these people democracy they will instantly revert to the worst form. Much as the US did in 2016.
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RE: Hilary wanted to rig the Palestian elections
December 20, 2016 at 2:05 pm
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(December 20, 2016 at 5:41 am)ReptilianPeon Wrote: I just think blaming the Russia bashing allows the Democrats to avoid taking about their failures. This is the same CIA that told us there were nuclear weapons in Iraq, you know WMDs. Should we really be putting so much faith in the "anonymous sources" the media loves to use?
In a sense, I do agree with you.
I have zero doubts that Russia was behind the hacks and knew exactly what they were doing. They had a specific goal in mind, and that was to undermine Hillary and get Trump elected. Now that he's elected, they can move on to phase 2. What that is is unknown, but I'm willing to bet it's not in America's best interest.
The blame lies soly on the American sheeple who are so easily manipulated. Critical thinking is non-existent in half the population.
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