12 Unbelievably Bad Marketers in Jerusalem

[Firefighter01]

If you believe that Jesus existed, you would have to say that he could not of picked 12 worse marketers of his supposed ministry if he tried. These 2 dimensional dummies were just made up as his fall guys and made very little impact in the society that they were supposed to evangelise.

Ah.. you mean denominations. Don't get me wrong some were indeed cults but others were no different that the followings in and amongest the diciples themselves...
So what if that was the whole point of Jesus Choosing who He did? So that no one person would take power over the church? That it remained a scattered like a shot gun blast rather than a sniper's target. Meaning In the way the church it currently set up it can 'hit/reach out to more people than if it were a set standard of rules as with islam and Judaism.

Technically they are all cults. If he wanted his teachings to be dispersed across humanity in the most efficient way possible he would have delegated to persons with a lot more nous within the major populations.  Instead he opts for 4 lots of the Three Stooges in an obscure region. Go figure. Btw, there is no reason to captilise pronouns when referring to Jesus or God. If your Bible doesn't do it why should you?

Regarding the disciples, Paul never calls them by that name,

your just all over the place huh?

No real points to make just empty assertions...
What about steven the first who got stoned to death?

What about him?  Paul never called him or any of the the apostles a "disciple" as it seems that he had never heard of the term.

[Minimalist]

The first sermon Peter preached resulted in 5000 new Christians. Christianity spread quickly throughout the known world of that time. Paul was at the stoning of Stephen a Jewish believer, this was most likely God's beginning work on Paul's spirit. So you see the chosen disciples had a huge effect on the spread of Christianity. The real truth of this matter doesn't begin with what the disciples were doing, the truth is what God was doing through them and they knew this to be the truth, it is conveyed in the NT.

GC

Do you have an actual biblical reference for that little gem?

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They would have all been baptized, easy enough to count them at that time, a practical way of knowing.

GC

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Do you have any realistic idea how long it would take one man to baptize 5,000 people in a river?

Could we do the job right and drown them?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Do you have an actual biblical reference for that little gem?

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Do you have any realistic idea how long it would take one man to baptize 5,000 people in a river?

At ten minutes each, just under 35 days. That's with uninterrupted logistics and unbelievable mind control. Even 50 would be pushing it uphill. How many would seriously flip their religion after a single sermon?

One thing I've learned by reading the Bible and the Jewish Babylonian Talmud is to never believe any numbers in them.

[Firefighter01]

Sorry, I'm struggling with the quote function

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Again not true. Luke via the book of acts records the gospel of Paul. In a sense Luke was Paul's scribe, and his gospel is that of Paul Himself.

1. No-one knows who wrote Luke or Acts, though they are similar in style
2. Acts is full of fiction and forgeries
3. Paul wrote over 80,000 words and never mentions Jesus' ministry, life before the trial or any historic event or location on Earth.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Sorry, I'm struggling with the quote function

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Again not true. Luke via the book of acts records the gospel of Paul. In a sense Luke was Paul's scribe, and his gospel is that of Paul Himself.

1. No-one knows who wrote Luke or Acts, though they are similar in style
2. Acts is full of fiction and forgeries
3. Paul wrote over 80,000 words and never mentions Jesus' ministry, life before the trial or any historic event or location on Earth.

Paul was the first person to write about Jesus.  He created the Jesus character as a way to sell his new religion of resurrection and as a way to destroy or weaken Judaism and/or the Way cult.  The biblical Paul character is a stellar liar and con man when he wasn't outright nuts.  Paul didn't care what people said about his Jesus character as long as they said something.  Since Paul himself didn't give very many details about his Jesus character his disciples wrote the back story to show why Jesus was worthy of worship and why he could save people's souls if they believed in him.    Some of the other writers concentrated on certain aspects of the Jesus persona, such as his link to the Jews.  The writers also included some of the acts of the three main rebel leaders against the Romans as acts of the Jesus character.  So it's a mixture of politics and religion.

Another theory is that the Romans started the fairy tale as a way to weaken the Jews after the war.  That's not as far-fetched as it might seem since the Roman Emperor started a religion that made his dead boyfriend Antinous into a reborn god, complete with temples and rituals.

[Minimalist]

Another theory is that the Romans started the fairy tale as a way to weaken the Jews after the war. 

The jews did not need to be weakened after the war..... 4 legions were more than enough to accomplish that.

[Godscreated]

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The first sermon Peter preached resulted in 5000 new Christians. Christianity spread quickly throughout the known world of that time. Paul was at the stoning of Stephen a Jewish believer, this was most likely God's beginning work on Paul's spirit. So you see the chosen disciples had a huge effect on the spread of Christianity. The real truth of this matter doesn't begin with what the disciples were doing, the truth is what God was doing through them and they knew this to be the truth, it is conveyed in the NT.

GC

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Do you have an actual biblical reference for that little gem?

Acts chapter two and it says 3000 and many others were added to their group each day, not 5000. We should consider that women and children were not necessarily counted in those days. So the number could have easily been 5000.

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They would have all been baptized, easy enough to count them at that time, a practical way of knowing.

GC

Do you have any realistic idea how long it would take one man to baptize 5,000 people in a river?

There were twelve apostles and others disciples to baptize them. If only the twelve were baptizing and baptizing 20 every hour (which is reasonable, I've been to many baptisms) doing so for 8 hours a day, about 2 days. This is in reference to the 3000.

GC

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You've misunderstood the story, Peter told them it was their money to do with as they wanted, they tried to fool the Holy Spirit and the church by giving part of the money and hiding the fact by saying they had given it all.

GC

*sigh*

It was a joke, GC.

Sorry but it seemed serious to me.

GC

[Minimalist]

Yeah - that figures.  You are the most humorless person around.  Too much religion.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Do you have an actual biblical reference for that little gem?

Acts chapter two and it says 3000 and many others were added to their group each day, not 5000. We should consider that women and children were not necessarily counted in those days. So the number could have easily been 5000.

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They would have all been baptized, easy enough to count them at that time, a practical way of knowing.

GC

Do you have any realistic idea how long it would take one man to baptize 5,000 people in a river?

There were twelve apostles and others disciples to baptize them. If only the twelve were baptizing and baptizing 20 every hour (which is reasonable, I've been to many baptisms) doing so for 8 hours a day, about 2 days. This is in reference to the 3000.

GC

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*sigh*

It was a joke, GC.

Sorry but it seemed serious to me.

GC

Oh yes, the three thousand figure is found in Acts 2:41. 

Based on my readings of the Bible and the Jewish Babylonian Talmud I tend to discount the accuracy of any of their numbers about everything.  They tend to lie.

[Godscreated]

Oh yes, the three thousand figure is found in Acts 2:41. 

Based on my readings of the Bible and the Jewish Babylonian Talmud I tend to discount the accuracy of any of their numbers about everything.  They tend to lie.

How is it you know they lie when it comes to numbers, if the rest isn't lies then why would they lie about the numbers. I'm sure you understand we are discussing spiritual matters and within that there are miracles to be accounted for.

GC