Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?

[The Valkyrie]

god of the bible isn't good by comic book status.
simple put the christian good is a psychopath that demands love
and worship and punishes humans but why the fuck not.
Or you know the reality of it all god doesn't exist and humans like me and you are just looking up into
the  night sky thinking oh man a god might have created all that and which god(s) instead of crediting nature
for all that hard work.

The christer gawd is no better than an abusive spouse. "Love me or I'll send you to hell, dirty sinner." really isn't any different than "Love me or I'll kill you, bitch."

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Looks like you would see that free will is a deep rooted part of Christianity, especially when all the Christians bring it up upfront. You don't like it because you either don't understand it or you can find no argument against it.

GC

Or, because we see it for the bullshit cop out it is.

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It's a common sense question, perfection cannot exist without imperfection because imperfection is what defines perfection, therefore one cannot truly appreciate or know what "perfection" is without experiencing imperfection.

Appreciating it or even knowing what it is doesn't mean it can't exist. More bullshit rationalization.

200 years ago, no one could appreciate x-rays or even knew what they were. So, did they not exist?

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If you made a mistake on your homework would you throw the whole worksheet out, or would you fix the problems you got wrong?

Kinda what it allegedly did. Killed off all the "mistakes," kept the only righteous folks in the whole world and we still ended up where we are. Some god.

"It's what we call a shake and bake colony."

[Godscreated]

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Looks like you would see that free will is a deep rooted part of Christianity, especially when all the Christians bring it up upfront. You don't like it because you either don't understand it or you can find no argument against it.

GC

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I've clearly said that I don't believe in free-will at all. I've got a lot of arguments against it. It isn't magic that works in some areas and not in others.

So, because you don't believe in free will it doesn't exist, okay, that might work for you for me it holds no water. The reason I say this, because I do not see your arguments to be valid. You're right free will is not magic and it is a part of our lives until God's providence steps in. He may never alter any decisions you make but, for me He has and I'm grateful He cares enough to do so.

 Either we have it in some form, or we don't.  The evidence says we don't (unless you redefine freewill to mean unrestrained desires that are still dictated by prior events, which some people do, and call themselves Compatibilists).

You and others can call by any name that floats your boat but free will is simply choice one makes no matter what outside influences aid in your decisions. Like I said in post #19 free will has no price to it nor do good decisions however, wrong and/or bad decisions come with a price.

(Why would I not believe in something I can find no argument against? Wouldn't that actually be I believe in it?

I can't see you having an argument for us not having free will and what you believe in is a simple twist of definition to make your preconceived notion right.

 I suspect you don't understand it and have no argument against it. If you do have an argument against it, why do you still believe in it? lol. Project much?)
The kind most common Christians seem to rely on, which would be called Libertarian Free Will, and is widely decried as impossible to exist.
http://www.theopedia.com/libeSortarian-free-will

I know many Christians believe that God controls all in our lives to lead us to every decision we make so that His will is done and they call that free will because we do not realize what is actually taking place. I DO NOT. Choice has always been influenced by things that have previously happened in our lives and that choice is ours free and clear, the decision on the other hand could come with consequences.

GC

[paulpablo]

If you don't believe in a perfect god then this isn't aimed torwards you.

Why would a perfect being need/want to make an imperfect world with imperfect beings?

You have this individual who supposedly has no flaws at all, and he makes a flawed universe full of people who harm one another and who hate one another.

It doesn't make sense at all. Why would a perfect being make a imperfect world.

If your first answer was free will then if Free will is such a limiting factor on making a perfect creation why have it in the first place?  It seems like that in itself is a mistake, intentionally making your creation with a huge limiting factor.

For the purposes of an argument I'll take the possition of a perfect god who created the perfect universe.

This universe is perfect for me.  I love the entertainment and character building challenges of conflict and resolution that come with a world full of people hating, loving, fighting and fucking each other.

It all just looks like chaos to you because you're a mere human.  Don't worry your little human brain about it, when you're dead it'll all become clear.

[Huggy Bear]

It's a common sense question, perfection cannot exist without imperfection because imperfection is what defines perfection, therefore one cannot truly appreciate or know what "perfection" is without experiencing imperfection.

Appreciating it or even knowing what it is doesn't mean it can't exist. More bullshit rationalization.

200 years ago, no one could appreciate x-rays or even knew what they were. So, did they not exist?

Really dude? Please explain the opposite of x-ray.

I'll wait...

[HairyCyclist]

Using Huggys logic, common sense would also tell us that if perfection can't exist without imperfection, then a perfect God could not have created the universe.

What's the opposite of Lobster?

[Neo-Scholastic]

Please explain the opposite of x-ray.

Kid-A

[Huggy Bear]

Using Huggys logic, common sense would also tell us that if perfection can't exist without imperfection, then a perfect God could not have created the universe.

What's the opposite of Lobster?

I don't follow your logic.

[HairyCyclist]

I don't follow your logic.

Fair enough

[Drich]

If it were a mistake why preserve any of it? why not just wipe it all out with the water?

If you made a mistake on your homework would you throw the whole worksheet out, or would you fix the problems you got wrong?

If I were looking for complete perfection, absolutely!

Which is what you seem to think God was looking for, so again why didn't he throw the whole thing out and start again?

Hint: This question was asked and answered in the bible already, and the answer has nothing to do with perfection.

Again you have a corrupt view of God/creation.

God created a space to introduce a species of sentient beings, and allowed them to grow and develop in their own way at their own speed. That is what the whole atonement thing is about. Because otherwise one we develop spiritually to where God wants us to be we will have done the very sin that would prevent us from being welcomed into His family.

As it is we have both the freedom and opportunity to become who he is asking us to be. What greater perfection/design can their be to both allow those looking to be with God the freedom to sin and develop spiritually and yet have sin be the disqualification of everyone else?

[Huggy Bear]

I don't follow your logic.

Fair enough

That was implying that an explanation was needed.

What do you mean by "a perfect God could not have created the universe" ?