Posts: 25314
Threads: 239
Joined: August 26, 2010
Reputation:
156
RE: How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
February 17, 2017 at 11:44 pm
The real qestion is who guives a flying shit
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
Posts: 15452
Threads: 147
Joined: June 15, 2015
Reputation:
88
RE: How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
February 17, 2017 at 11:49 pm
As long as it takes
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
Posts: 3463
Threads: 25
Joined: August 9, 2015
Reputation:
27
RE: How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
February 18, 2017 at 12:07 am
(February 17, 2017 at 11:44 pm)Stimbo Wrote: The real qestion is who guives a flying shit
Well the ones who picked the wrong messiah do, but I suspect only so that can have that final pinky promise and french kiss to get the afterlife wristband.
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming" -The Prophet Boiardi-
Conservative trigger warning.
Posts: 8781
Threads: 26
Joined: March 15, 2010
Reputation:
29
RE: How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
February 18, 2017 at 1:28 am
(February 17, 2017 at 10:53 pm)Thena323 Wrote: (February 17, 2017 at 10:03 pm)Godschild Wrote:
C'mon, GC....I've got REAL LIFE problems! Do you really think I've got time to worry about made-up shit?
I'm totally confident that there are no invisible folks floating around sky with magical superpowers. And, that dead people don't come back to life after a few millennia.
hehe... I'll take my chances.
I've got real life problems too, so does everyone else. Christians however do not need to worry about the return of Christ, we actually embrace His second coming. You know what you need to do to take the worry out of Jesus return. I do not believe in magical powers myself but, l do believe in a supreme God who is omnipotent and omniscient who with no trouble can raise the dead bodies from where ever they may be. If you ask me and I know you didn't, your taking chances on eternity is a risky business.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Posts: 3146
Threads: 8
Joined: October 7, 2016
Reputation:
40
RE: How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
February 18, 2017 at 1:35 am
(February 18, 2017 at 1:28 am)Godschild Wrote: If you ask me and I know you didn't, your taking chances on eternity is a risky business.
I actually don't see that much difference in risk levels. If we're dealing with a god that maintains a place of eternal punishment, I don't think anyone is a position to assess what it's up to and whether or not it can actually be trusted. There's just something about the concept that's setting off all kinds of alarms.
Posts: 8781
Threads: 26
Joined: March 15, 2010
Reputation:
29
RE: How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
February 18, 2017 at 3:18 am
(February 18, 2017 at 1:35 am)Astreja Wrote: (February 18, 2017 at 1:28 am)Godschild Wrote: If you ask me and I know you didn't, your taking chances on eternity is a risky business.
I actually don't see that much difference in risk levels. If we're dealing with a god that maintains a place of eternal punishment, I don't think anyone is a position to assess what it's up to and whether or not it can actually be trusted. There's just something about the concept that's setting off all kinds of alarms.
God is eternal and any unforgiven sin against Him is eternal, therefore the punishment must be eternal. The sin doesn't go away there is no resolution of the sin leaving no alternative but an eternal punishment. Also, there has to be a balance and eternal life with God is balanced by eternal life without God, to have the one the other must exist.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Posts: 5599
Threads: 37
Joined: July 13, 2015
Reputation:
61
RE: How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
February 18, 2017 at 3:37 am
(This post was last modified: February 18, 2017 at 3:43 am by Athene.)
(February 18, 2017 at 1:28 am)Godschild Wrote: (February 17, 2017 at 10:53 pm)Thena323 Wrote: C'mon, GC....I've got REAL LIFE problems! Do you really think I've got time to worry about made-up shit?
I'm totally confident that there are no invisible folks floating around sky with magical superpowers. And, that dead people don't come back to life after a few millennia.
hehe... I'll take my chances.
If you ask me and I know you didn't, your taking chances on eternity is a risky business.
Nah... Odds are, I'll regret nothing.
Posts: 155
Threads: 1
Joined: February 2, 2017
Reputation:
16
RE: How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
February 18, 2017 at 3:58 am
If God is eternal, that means he can't die... which must mean he isn't omnipotent because he can't kill himself
Posts: 3146
Threads: 8
Joined: October 7, 2016
Reputation:
40
RE: How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
February 18, 2017 at 4:04 am
(February 18, 2017 at 3:18 am)Godschild Wrote: God is eternal...
Unsupported assertion. Unless you happen to be both eternal and omniscient, you have no way of verifying that.
Quote: and any unforgiven sin against Him is eternal, therefore the punishment must be eternal.
The onus for forgiving clearly falls upon your god. If it wants to remain eternally butt-hurt because a mortal didn't actually ask it for forgiveness, it's got issues. Big, big issues.
Furthermore, in the context of a powerful and eternally-existing being, any act committed by a mortal is both instantaneous and infinitesimal, and theoretically too insignificant to to injure the eternal being in any way whatsoever.
Quote: The sin doesn't go away...
It could, if the god merely ignored it. Are you seriously claiming that your god is so bloody petty that it holds itty-bitty grudges against mortals for eternity and would rather just sit there on its duff the whole time listening to those same mortals screaming in agony? FFS, that's pathetic.
Quote: there is no resolution of the sin leaving no alternative but an eternal punishment. Also, there has to be a balance and eternal life with God is balanced by eternal life without God, to have the one the other must exist.
No, that is a needless constraint put upon your alleged god by human apologists. It is a tool they use to enslave mortals like yourself into the worship of an alleged god so irredeemably evil that it should be condemning itself to hell.
Needless to say, if I ever do make it to the mythical Great White Throne I intend to immediately throttle your imaginary fiend with its own pubic hairs, blink it out of existence (as I am not nearly as evil and actually would not torture it for eternity), abolish hell, and release literally everybody without a single exception.
Try seeing things from the big-picture POV of a god and you'll see immediately how insulting the hell myth really is. It isn't justice; it's something that priests made up to fill the pews and the coffers. I recognized sometime before my 8th birthday that it was just a mechanism invented to control the populace.
Posts: 13901
Threads: 263
Joined: January 11, 2009
Reputation:
82
RE: How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
February 18, 2017 at 5:34 am
(February 17, 2017 at 7:15 pm)Lek Wrote: (February 17, 2017 at 6:34 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: Good point, but when can we get a Bible that says what it means? Why does it say this generation instead of that generation?
I know I'm probably giving you guys ammunition, but actually to get the best understanding you would need to learn ancient Greek and then interpret it directly from the language in which it was written.
Why was a Hebrew book written in greek "originally"?
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.
|