What would change your mind?

[HairyCyclist]

So heaven is like  $cientology's OT3?

I know nothing about Scientology, but then I've never met or spoken to a scientologist.

[Whateverist]

if he showed himself you would be forced to believe and that would ruin the meaning of love and a relationship with god. why should god put up with evil doers who want nothing to do with him. your basically saying we dont want you god but want us. care about us. how would you feel if you cared about someone that didnt care about you and hated you! god has made a paradise that is reserved for people that believe in him and love him. he will show himself and be with his people in heaven and surrounded beauty and enlightenment. if you believe in jesus and use your faith to commuincate with god and depend on me that is all you need to do to get there.

And yet in heaven you will not just believe in God but know Him.  Will that ruin the meaning of love and a relationship with God then?  You can't have it both ways that it ruins love here but not in heaven.

Yeah, everyone is hard to live with - especially people who think they're right all the time.  God could be impossible to cohabitate with and if it ends badly He'd be the last one you want stalking you.

[Jackalope]

I don't know, but as I am sure someone else has noted, an omniscient deity would know precisely what it would take. I can only conclude that it has not desire or need of my belief if it exists.

[Whateverist]

Yeah, this isn't the sort of question I'd ever lose sleep over. How should I know what it would take. From what I heard it is pretty hard to understand what a god could be. Apparently it is something which exists in the 'supernatural' zone, which I've always understood to mean unreal. Natural = real. Supernatural = other than real = unreal. Without know what we're looking for, it is hard to say what would constitute 'proof'.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Yeah, everyone is hard to live with - especially people who think they're right all the time. God could be impossible to cohabitate with and if it ends badly He'd be the last one you want stalking you.

And you just know that God would be the kind of flat mate who never does the dishes and is always late with His half of the water bill.

Boru

[Rhondazvous]

This question comes up so much it must be important to somebody. To whom pray tell?

1. The god of the bible doesn’t care if we believe in him or not

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

2. It won’t make any difference in my life if god exists or not. Even if I believed that a god created this world and then blamed humans for all the misery in this world, I could never love or respect or worship such a being.

If it’s some god other than the one in the bible/Koran, that wouldn’t make a difference. This is still the same world.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

I've always preferred, 'It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.' - Thomas Jefferson.

Boru

[Nonpareil]

Yeah, everyone is hard to live with - especially people who think they're right all the time.  God could be impossible to cohabitate with and if it ends badly He'd be the last one you want stalking you.

And you just know that God would be the kind of flat mate who never does the dishes and is always late with His half of the water bill.

Boru

And then when you try to tell him that water ain't free, you end up having to nail together a boat in your backyard and herding all your neighbors onto it.

[Rhondazvous]

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

I've always preferred, 'It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.' - Thomas Jefferson.

Boru

I wish I could find a book of his writings and/or sayings. Jefferson was on smart guy. Anyone who wants to keep believing the US was founded on Christianity needs to steer clear of that dude at all costs.

[Cyberman]

So heaven is like  $cientology's OT3?

I know nothing about Scientology, but then I've never met or spoken to a scientologist.

Count yourself blessed. OT3 - Operating Thetan Level 3 - is the point at which you get told the true secret of the shell game that your money has been building towards; the incredible story of the evil space warlord Xenu.

Operation Clambake has it all.