What would change your mind?

[Little Rik]

What could God do to prove his existence?

I think showing himself would be an excellent start. Curing every disease, helping with famine and ending all the conflicts happening around the world would be cool with me too.

If God would sort out all our stupidity and mistakes then why worry about it so let us do them again and again.  

You never thought of that Bella, did you?  

[Alex K]

What the hell makes you think you're not worshiped now?

The lack of any godlike powers or abilities manifesting themselves.

Jesus supposedly raised the dead.

Only things I can raise shouldn't be mentioned outside A69...

Eyebrows for sure...

[Joshua martin pryce]

I hope this is the right place to post this and I wonder if the subject has been broached before.  What could God do to prove his existence?  Everyone runs around saying, I can't see him, so sorry.  If you asked a christian, they'd say the bible proves his existence.  Forget that.  What sort of things would he have to do to prove it.  Show his face from the heavens?  Flood the earth?  End all suffering?  What could make you change your mind?

its a very good question you ask. god couldnt simply prove a way he exists in a way that you would understand it. if he came to you in dreams and visions you wouldnt believe. if he healed you you wouldnt believe, etc. gods theories make sense like saying evil is out to kill steal and destroy you and your life. and that he wants good for you. faith is what god uses to communicate in his relationship with humans. without faith we couldnt see god and the bible says that. but i think its personal experiences and personal ("going to god") that will help you see him and seeing results from prayers that would help you see he exists. i couldnt give you my experiences if i could you wouldnt believe. its on experience that god shows himself.

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The lack of any godlike powers or abilities manifesting themselves.

Jesus supposedly raised the dead.

Only things I can raise shouldn't be mentioned outside A69...

Eyebrows for sure...

if someone gained godlike powers and begin flaunting them you wouldnt believe in god but in the person. and you still wouldnt believe.

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I think showing himself would be an excellent start. Curing every disease, helping with famine and ending all the conflicts happening around the world would be cool with me too.

If God would sort out all our stupidity and mistakes then why worry about it so let us do them again and again.  

You never thought of that Bella, did you?  

if he showed himself you would be forced to believe and that would ruin the meaning of love and a relationship with god. why should god put up with evil doers who want nothing to do with him. your basically saying we dont want you god but want us. care about us. how would you feel if you cared about someone that didnt care about you and hated you! god has made a paradise that is reserved for people that believe in him and love him. he will show himself and be with his people in heaven and surrounded beauty and enlightenment. if you believe in jesus and use your faith to commuincate with god and depend on me that is all you need to do to get there.

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I have personally not actually encountered any of the deities who are worshiped by humanity's theists (if these entities exist, then are they even deities? Is it possible that they could be life-forms who are so different from humanity that the label of "deity" becomes a convenient but not necessarily accurate way of making sense of it?).  However, if people are to form an accurate opinion of what religion, God worship, and the nature of this God entails, then do you think that a good starting point for forming an opinion begins with observing the behaviors of those who practice that religion and examining what their holy books say?

If we cannot actually interact with the life-form itself, then by what other means can people form opinions about religion/theism?  Do you have any suggestions, sir? Thanks.

That is the problem Kernel.
Most people get an idea about God looking at what religions say and that is wrong.
Religions born out from spirituality.
Shiva, Krishna, Buddha, Jesus were teaching spirituality not religion.
The problem however is that those who came later twisted this spirituality into religion which
of course is not what the spiritualists were teaching.
The caste of priests try and succeed to become intermediaries between God and the masses.
They invented the hell and a myriad of other rubbish in order to control the mind of the masses.
The thing however is that God reject these intermediaries but fool people think that these self proclamed intermediaries tell the word of God.
But nothing is lost Kernel.
God is alive and well and He sees were lie the rot and were lie the sincerity.
As far as anybody act with sincerity God will show up to them.  

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I feel like there is no problem with the idea of God who demands morality. The problem I have and as it seems almost everyone else has is that God described in most popular "holy" books might use the most extreme and unimaginable method of motivating his creation to follow his moral laws by potential punishment in afterlife trough torture, regenerate like wolverine from X-men, repeat the process. Its the most f up idea there is because if you take it seriously, you potentially might get unimaginable nightmare no words can describe, which ideally should motivate you swallow the bitter pill of religious lifestyle.

Have you got any evidence that God did write those Holy books or that he ever said what is written in the holy books?  

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I do follow logic, which is one of the reasons I can see, with clarity, that he doesn't exist in the first place. He should want me to know him personally, right? What better way to convince a non-believer than with the man himself. Instead of using messengers or some other means, just have him present himself, on demand, to my designated location and let me see that he's the real deal. People have been kept waiting for 2000+ years.

Quit teasing us already and present yourself!!

Ooooooh that's right. He can't because he's imaginary.

Only 2000 years you reckon?
What about some millions of years since the matter became plant and the plant became an animal and an animal become a man (man-woman)?
Then why God didn't show up to a stone or a plant or an animal?
Give time Nympha.
When the human is ready then and only then God will show up but again the mind must be free from non logic dogmas.  

why should god show himself to you when you want to see him but you dont want to follow him. your asking god to think and behave like a man but one that loves blindly.

[HairyCyclist]

He wasn't shy about revealing himself in the middle east,and showing off his magic tricks was he? has he become a recluse or something?
Didn't he set some bulls on fire to prove himself to some misguided prophets of Baal?
He also did a bit of camping at one point I believe.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

its a very good question you ask.

No argument.

god couldnt simply prove a way he exists in a way that you would understand it.

Who the hell are you to put limitations on what God can or cannot do?

if he came to you in dreams and visions you wouldnt believe.

Speaking for myself, that much is certainly true (if I believed the things I dream about, they'd lock me away in The Home For The Neurologically Flaccid). But billions of people believe in gods simply because of the dreams and visions they have.

if he healed you you wouldnt believe, etc.

Actually, I would. Please don't be so presumptuous as to tell me what I would or would not believe.

gods theories make sense like saying evil is out to kill steal and destroy you and your life.

That's not a theory.

and that he wants good for you.

If God wants good for people, why do bad things continue to happen to people?

faith is what god uses to communicate in his relationship with humans. without faith we couldnt see god and the bible says that.

Yes, I'm aware that the Bible says, 'Faith is the evidence of things not seen.' Leaving aside the terrific illogic of that statement, I prefers Twain's definition: 'Faith is believing what you know ain't so.'

but i think its personal experiences and personal ("going to god") that will help you see him and seeing results from prayers that would help you see he exists.

No offense, but that sounds like a course in self-delusions: 'If I pray to God and accept that my personal experiences are the result of my prayers, I will believe in God.' This is the same kind of thinking that results in casinos always showing a profit.

i couldnt give you my experiences if i could you wouldnt believe. its on experience that god shows himself.

Same answer.

Boru

[pocaracas]

I hope this is the right place to post this and I wonder if the subject has been broached before.  What could God do to prove his existence?  Everyone runs around saying, I can't see him, so sorry.  If you asked a christian, they'd say the bible proves his existence.  Forget that.  What sort of things would he have to do to prove it.  Show his face from the heavens?  Flood the earth?  End all suffering?  What could make you change your mind?

its a very good question you ask. god couldnt simply prove a way he exists in a way that you would understand it. if he came to you in dreams and visions you wouldnt believe. if he healed you you wouldnt believe, etc. gods theories make sense like saying evil is out to kill steal and destroy you and your life. and that he wants good for you. faith is what god uses to communicate in his relationship with humans. without faith we couldnt see god and the bible says that. but i think its personal experiences and personal ("going to god") that will help you see him and seeing results from prayers that would help you see he exists. i couldnt give you my experiences if i could you wouldnt believe. its on experience that god shows himself.

I'm willing to bet that your experiences were interpreted by you as being from/by god, because you were previously primed to interpret them in such a way.

What sort of experience did you have that told you there was a god and would have done so, even if you had never ever heard of the concept of a being more powerful than humans?

If God would sort out all our stupidity and mistakes then why worry about it so let us do them again and again.  

You never thought of that Bella, did you?  

if he showed himself you would be forced to believe and that would ruin the meaning of love and a relationship with god.

This, I strongly disagree.
Stinks of man-made excuse for the patent absence of a god.

Read your bible and you'll come across numerous examples of people to whom god allegedly showed himself and they still managed to have a relationship and "believe".
Read out of your bible and you'll come across even more examples of the same... e.g. Muhamad and Allah.

why should god put up with evil doers who want nothing to do with him.

Not long ago, I came across the notion, in psychology, that if you understand the motivations behind a person's actions, you find that you cannot blame the person for acting the way she did. If you understand the person, you are compelled to forgive them.
God, as the omniscient entity that it is, should know and understand every single person's motivations... and thus find no blame on them... and automatically forgive them for everything.
Under this view, Hell would be a useless notion, as no one would be deserving of it.
Everyone automatically qualifies for heaven.

Meaning that hell is a man-made construct. God would not do such a thing for there would be no need for it.

God would understand those evil doers and would understand why they want nothing to do with him and would forgive them for it... and he would maybe want to show them the right path as soon as possible, in the best way possible.

your basically saying we dont want you god but want us. care about us. how would you feel if you cared about someone that didnt care about you and hated you! god has made a paradise that is reserved for people that believe in him and love him. he will show himself and be with his people in heaven and surrounded beauty and enlightenment. if you believe in jesus and use your faith to commuincate with god and depend on me that is all you need to do to get there.

ah... the glorification of faith.
First, people believe, then people believe some more and eventually people get to actually communicate with the almighty... even if it's all in their heads... they can't tell the difference... they believe they're communicating with it, so they are.

The most awesome part is that they can't even see it for what it is, even if we, on the outside of their heads, tell them.
It's not actually awesome at all... it's sad, really.
Sadder even because they pass on this belief to their children who then go through the same cycle and recycle... and cycle and recycle...

[AFTT47]

Not long ago, I came across the notion, in psychology, that if you understand the motivations behind a person's actions, you find that you cannot blame the person for acting the way she did. If you understand the person, you are compelled to forgive them.
God, as the omniscient entity that it is, should know and understand every single person's motivations... and thus find no blame on them... and automatically forgive them for everything.
Under this view, Hell would be a useless notion, as no one would be deserving of it.
Everyone automatically qualifies for heaven.

Meaning that hell is a man-made construct. God would not do such a thing for there would be no need for it.

God would understand those evil doers and would understand why they want nothing to do with him and would forgive them for it... and he would maybe want to show them the right path as soon as possible, in the best way possible.

That is an excellent showing of how primitive the concept of Hell and revenge-think is - and how just, plain wrong it is.

[Angrboda]

if he showed himself you would be forced to believe and that would ruin the meaning of love and a relationship with god. why should god put up with evil doers who want nothing to do with him. your basically saying we dont want you god but want us. care about us. how would you feel if you cared about someone that didnt care about you and hated you! god has made a paradise that is reserved for people that believe in him and love him. he will show himself and be with his people in heaven and surrounded beauty and enlightenment. if you believe in jesus and use your faith to commuincate with god and depend on me that is all you need to do to get there.

And yet in heaven you will not just believe in God but know Him. Will that ruin the meaning of love and a relationship with God then? You can't have it both ways that it ruins love here but not in heaven.

[HairyCyclist]

if he showed himself you would be forced to believe and that would ruin the meaning of love and a relationship with god. why should god put up with evil doers who want nothing to do with him. your basically saying we dont want you god but want us. care about us. how would you feel if you cared about someone that didnt care about you and hated you! god has made a paradise that is reserved for people that believe in him and love him. he will show himself and be with his people in heaven and surrounded beauty and enlightenment. if you believe in jesus and use your faith to commuincate with god and depend on me that is all you need to do to get there.

And yet in heaven you will not just believe in God but know Him.  Will that ruin the meaning of love and a relationship with God then?  You can't have it both ways that it ruins love here but not in heaven.

Ya but, when you get to heaven you will have passed the test, he will then reveal to you the purpose that he has for you.. whatever that may be

[Cyberman]

So heaven is like $cientology's OT3?